1 Ty Tipton, Tipton Company Brian Fenske, Navien America CONDENSING TANKLESS WATER HEATERS
2 THE BASICS OF TANKLESS WATER HEATERS Tankless water heaters are available in Electric Natural gas Propane fired models How do they work?
3 CAUTIOUS ADVERTISING AND REPRESENTATION A term that should be avoided is instantaneous. Tankless water heaters are not instantaneous! It takes time to get the water to the fixture(s)
4 CAUTIOUS ADVERTISING AND REPRESENTATION Hot Water Delivery Time Lag/Distance Flow Rate Recirc/Non-Recirc
5 WHY TANKLESS? Performance Endless supply of hot water Steady temperature Energy efficient Savings Saves money Saves space Saves energy Saves the environment For Contractors Better margins Differentiation Lighter install A solution when space is limited
6 SAVING THE ENVIRONMENT Condensing tankless water heaters reduces up to 964 lbs. of CO2 per year compared to a conventional gas tank water heater, and up to 324 lbs. of CO2 compared to a standard gas tankless water heater
7 ENERGY SAVINGS Why are they energy Efficient?.80 to.98% efficient No Storage or standby loss Modulating Burner Heater placement
8 LEED Current LEED program allows: Maximum 2 points for Instantaneous water heater with an EF 0.80 Maximum 2 points for closed combustion (Sealed supply air & exhaust ducting) Maximum 2 points for a energy efficient water distribution system
9 ENDLESS HOT WATER But be careful of the consumer downside: If you have a family of 6 that has never had enough hot water with a 50 gallon tank heater, your bill might just go up because now your family will not be taking cold showers or have to shorten them.
10 TODAY'S HOMES AND NEED FOR HOT WATER Another reason that builders like tankless water heaters is that they are able to provide hot water to today's popular large tubs
11 TODAY'S HOMES AND NEED FOR HOT WATER 1. A tank type heater has to be very large to do all of these things without running out. 2. Tankless are only limited to the flow rate our tankless unit(s) can provide.
12 COMMON MISCONCEPTIONS ON SIZING AND UNIT SELECTION Today s tankless water heaters provide more than enough capacity to meet any hot water need from a one-bathroom house to a hotel.
13 COMMON MISCONCEPTIONS ON SIZING AND UNIT SELECTION Limitations & knowledge Most homes only have a ¾ hot water main and most are now in PEX or CPVC materials.
14 LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION Builders like the tankless water heaters for several reasons, not the least of which is space savings.
15 LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION Standard tanks in a two-story home, this means more framing, drywall and paint to enclose it. Tankless options: 1. Wall Mounting 2. Garage 3. Attics 4. Outside (good idea?)
16 TANK VERSUS TANKLESS Gas Water Tanks (30-50 Gal, 40 MBTUH) lbs. filled 6-10 year warranty 40 90º rise (40 G) 78 Gal 1 st Hour delivery Tankless Water Heaters (199,000 BTU) lbs. filled year warranty º rise 1 st hour and every hour delivery remains the same
17 Water Inlet Required Fixture Temp Rise Temp ( F) Temp ( F) ( F) Gas Tank Heater Gallons per Weight of Day Gal of Water BTU Cost per BTU Content Energy Operating Cost Operating Cost Heated Required Therm 1ft3 N/G Factor Per Day Per Year ,040 $ $0.83 $ Water Inlet Required Fixture Temp Rise Temp ( F) Temp ( F) ( F) 98% Condensing Heater Gallons per Weight of Day Gal of Water BTU Cost per BTU Content Energy Operating Cost Operating Cost Heated Required Therm 1ft3 N/G Factor Per Day Per Year ,040 $ $0.52 $ Inputs (Fill-in these below only) Energy Factor (EF) Examples Incoming Water Temp - Navien tankless ranges from F (60) to.96 Operating Cost Desired Water Temp - F Standard tankless ranges from 120 (120).81 to.83. Difference per Day Gallons per Day Residential tank heaters range 100 from.57 to.62 (20)* $0.31 Natural Gas Cost per CCF $ (0.98) Operating Cost Energy Factor - N/Gas Heater 1 (.96) 0.59 Difference per Year Energy Factor - N/Gas Heater 2 (.82) 0.95 $ *Factoring required for mixed temp use
18 ELECTRIC VS. GAS Natural Gas * EF.95 (High Efficiency N/G Tankless x $0.98 ($ per therm/ccf) = $ Annual yearly cost Electric * EF.92 (High Efficiency Electric tank/52 Gal) x $0.12 ($ per KWH) = $ Annual yearly cost * Based on DOE guidelines Family of 4 using 50 gallons per day
19 CHOOSING THE RIGHT SIZED UNIT Tankless, including multiples are sized by peak GPM The first thing we need to do is establish the peak hot water demand for the job. In a home this is usually the number of showerheads, X the flow rate X 80%. Example: GPM each = 7.5GPM X 80% = 6 GPM peak demand.
20 COMMERCIAL APPLICATION EXAMPLE A high school has a locker room with 24 showers. They have a 10 year old 400 gallon tank water heaters that is always on 24/7/365 and it has begun to leak needing replacement probably due to sediment build up caused by constantly heating and reheating water that is not moving. 5-6 Tankless Units would do the Trick!
21 WHAT IS CONDENSING? To lose heat (Energy) and change from a vapor into a liquid, or make a vapor change to a liquid
23 TANKLESS FUTURE-CONDENSING HIGH EFFICIENCY 90%+ Benefits 7 out of 8 manufacturers 90%+ units are vented with Sch 40 PVC-DWV Resulting in lower installation costs Vent installation ease No need to relocate unit for ease of venting, resulting in required gas & water line rerouting or extending
24 CONCERNS ABOUT CONDENSING AND THE CORROSIVE CONDENSATE PRODUCED (WHEN IT S NOT SUPPOSED TO): 1.Heat exchanger 2.Efficiency reduction 3.Controls 4.Maintenance
25 RESULT OF CONDENSATION DAMAGE
26 How one manufacturer (Navien) deals with Condensing #436 Stainless Steel Primary and Condensing (Secondary) Heat Exchangers 400 series Ferritic grades have been developed to provide a group of stainless steel to resist corrosion and oxidation, while being highly resistant to stress corrosion cracking Type 436 has columbium added for corrosion and heat resistance
27 KD Premixing burner design Blower Air Sol. Valve Fuel Nozzle Mixture Gas Manifold Slope Perforate Plate Down-Fired Burner
28 Perforated slots for fuel Flat Plate Slot Collision Plate Slot Full Burner
29 Benefits of Navien s Integrated Recirculation System The recirculation system will minimize the cold water sandwich A recirculation system is estimated to reduce water consumption by 20%-33% by eliminating wait times when using hot water Navien A Model Other Tankless Which install makes more sense?
30 RECIRCULATION Navien A - Model Built in pump Built in Buffer Tank
31 VENTING OPTIONS PVC VENTED TANKLESS
32 DEALING WITH CORROSIVE CONDENSATE Some applications and installations may require a condensate neutralizer
33 Typical Residential Tank Replacement (Garage Closet)
34 TANKLESS WATER HEATERS ARE NOT JUST FOR RESIDENTIAL With the recent advent of condensing, high efficiency, ease of venting, and probably most important, sealed combustion we are installing tankless in the commercial and restaurant applications
35 Tankless Water Heater Users
36 DRAGO S RESTAURANT METAIRIE, LA. Drago s a 300-seat seafood restaurant used to get its hot water the conventional way, and never had enough They had a 150-gallon tank that heated and stored water. When Drago s embarked on a $3 million renovation of the restaurant, they switched to Tankless Water Heaters
37 EINSTEIN BROS. BAGELS A desire for space savings was the reason behind Einstein Noah Restaurant Group s decision to replace conventional hot-water heaters with tankless units Unlike conventional water heaters, tankless models don t take up valuable floor space. The units, which measure approximately 3 feet high, inches wide and 11 to 14 inches deep, can be wall-mounted high off the floor and out of the way
38 ADDITIONAL BENEFITS OF CONDENSING TANKLESS Sealed combustion Minimal concerns of negative pressure caused by exhausts 2-pipe systems solve combustion air issues Off the floor, unaffected by housekeeping Long life expectancy Better warranties Eliminates the need for overheating water to kill Legionella
39 Navien Cascaded Units with Common Venting
40 CONTACTS: Brian Fenske Navien America Inc Santa Fe Dr. Tustin, CA Toll Free: Tel: Fax: Website: Ty Tipton Tipton Company 3301 Commerce St. Houston, TX Toll Free: Tel: Fax: Website: Thank You!
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