MEETING MINUTES. Aircraft Rescue and Fire Fighting AIR-AAA March Sheraton. Denver, CO

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1 Members Duane Kann- Chair John McDonald- Secretary Keith Bagot Ralph Colet Howard Costa Graeme Day Hanh Deniston Michael Greenup Stephen Listerman John Maddox- Called in Douglas Mangels Graydon Matheson-Called in Robert Mathis Kevin Petit Pam Phillips Danny Pierce James Podolske Joseph Scheffey Jason Shively 1

2 Marc Tonnacliff Pierre Voisine William Major- Called in Christopher Toten Bradford Colton Ronald Jones Ronald Krusleski Thomas Littlepage Paul Powell James Price Darrell Sooter- Called in Guests Philip DiMaria Bernard Valiois Staff Ken Holland- Staff Liaison 18 March The full committee meeting was opened by Chair Duane Kann at 08:03 on 18 March with the introduction of members and guests followed by opening remarks by the Chair. The minutes of the 8 May, 2013 meeting were approved. 2

3 Ken Holland, staff liaison, after explaining the reason for a change in staff liaison, reviewed the general procedures for the meeting The cycles for NFPA 405 and 422 were reviewed. Due to transferring the responsibility of NFPA 408 from this committee to the Technical Committee on Portable Fire Extinguishers, the need for a change to the AIR-AAA committee s scope was discussed. The committee began processing public comments, of which 4 were received, for NFPA 405. The committee developed 7 second revisions for the second draft. Work resumed at 13:45 with the committee creating an additional first revision to 405. At 14:15 the committee began work on the 422 public comments, finishing at 14:45. The committee received two public comments for the document. Following a 15 min break, discussion was held on using some of the material from 422 to develop a training evaluation check list that can become an appendix to one of the committee s existing documents. The committee is still planning on withdrawing the document, which was addressed and balloted as part of the first draft meeting. The meeting was adjourned at 16:00 19 March The Chair called the meeting to order at 08:31. A video on training devices was shown by Jim Podolske Ken reviewed the operation and use of the Doc Info Pages 3

4 The need for a TIA to 402 was presented to the committee based on the request of the NTSB. This concerns an incorrect link in to the NTSB. The Chair held a discussion on the importance of having an alternate, noting the committee members who need to get an alternate. Task group assignments were made for the review of 414. The chair of each group will need to submit the group s recommendations electronically as public comment by 1 July. The list will be distributed to the entire committee. The chair reviewed the cycle time adjustments for the committee s documents. Task groups were updated to develop public input for response times and generic foam classification. The chair requests that he and the staff liaison be included on all meeting invites Response Times Danny Pierce-Chair Grady North Ross Davidson Denny Weitman Jim Podolske Darrell Sooter Pam Phillips Marty Huffman 4

5 Graydon Matheson Tom Littlepage Steve Schwartz Marc Tonnaclif Hahn Deniston Ralph Colet Phil Dimaria Generic Foam Classifications Brad Colton-Chair Keith Bagot Graeme Day Bernard Valois Bob Darwin Dennis Kennedy Rob Mathis Joe Scheffey Dirk Steyn 5

6 Jim Podolske Ross Davidson Dave Pelton Kevin Petit Pierre Phil Dimaria Jason Shively Due to the elimination of 408 & 422 from the committee s documents, the committee s scope will need to be changed. A proposed new scope was developed. The committee also discussed the possibility of modifying revision cycles of the remaining documents to improve the efficiency of the committee. More work has to be done on that due to NFPA regulations. The staff liaison will work with the Chair to take the appropriate actions and report back to the committee as needed. Orlando or Tampa was proposed as the location for the next meeting the week in October/November A discussion was held on proximity gear. Jim Podolske stated that the AF anticipates a position statement on the use of proximity gear from OSHA in about the 3 weeks. The meeting was adjourned at 11:26 6