Thinking about Graduate Schools EconClub, WSU, Sept. 28 th, 2011

Thinking about Graduate Schools EconClub, WSU, Sept. 28 th, 2011 I am almost done with my major what to do next? o Another day we can talk about the job market. Today we will discuss applying to graduate schools. First misconception: o Going to grad school does not have to increase your debt. o Many schools will probably pay part (or all) of your tuition, plus a stipend if you work about 20 hours per week as TA or RA. Masters in Econ, Finance, Econ/Finance, etc. o If you feel a little bit hesitant about starting a 4-year Ph.D. program, a good option is to simply go for a Masters degree. o Advantages: It is one or two years long. The materials you cover are closer to some of the materials you studied in undergrad, and hence the Masters can serve you as an intermediate step before some more in-depth programs, such as a Ph.D. At the end of the Masters program you will probably be able to better assess if you would like to apply to a Ph.D. If you do, your application materials will be treated differently by admission offices: you could undertake a Masters program, so you will likely be able to go through the Ph.D. program as well, your preparation is way better than most candidates applying with just a major in Econ, and you have already been exposed to some research, which makes your transition to do your own research (Ph.D. thesis) also faster. All of these imply two important things: the Masters degree can increase your chances of getting into a Ph.D. at a better school (maybe a top 15?) and, in addition, being funded from the first day of class. o Disadvantages: Unlike Ph.D.s, Masters programs rarely fund you. They might provide scholarships for your tuition, but few of them employ you as a TA or RA. 1

Ph.D. programs: o General description: 2 years of course work (first year you only do Micro, Macro, Econometrics and Math, and the second year you choose elective courses), then 2-3 years when you work on the 2-3 papers that will constitute your Ph.D. thesis. o Advantages: The percentage of first-year students with scholarships covering their tuition and stipends is usually larger in Ph.D. than Masters programs. Relative to a Masters degree, your preparation is substantially better. Some jobs will only accept applicants if they have a Ph.D. degree: universities, research centers, think tanks, government jobs (USDA, Dept. of Justice, Dept. of Transportation, Federal Reserve, etc.), international organization (IMF, World Bank, etc.) Important note: many research positions will only seek candidates with a Ph.D. in Econ who, in addition, are American (almost all positions at the U.S. government impose this constraint). The candidate pool, of course, shrinks to you and the guy sitting next to you in the waiting room Nice! Except for some people doing Finance, your salary prospects with a Ph.D. are significantly better than with a Masters (see attached file). It also provides you with more degrees of freedom about what research agendas to pursue, rather than doing research in what your boss proposes. o Disadvantages: 2-3 years longer than a Masters. The coursework is more intense: first-year courses are usually more theoretical than in a Masters program. At the end of the first year (or beginning of the second year, depending on the school), you will sit for the comprehensive exams (also referred as preliminary exams ), which you have to pass in order to continue with the program. In most schools you have two chances of passing them. The style of the first-year coursework and exams differentiates schools, in terms of how many students they cut. At MIT, for instance, they are proud of selecting the right student pool and few of them leave the program. At Chicago or Boston College, on the contrary, they accept huge in-coming classes (45 students!) and keep about half or less. Fortunately, schools are trying to avoid such a wasteful use of resources, reducing the size of in-coming classes to only those students who will likely pass. 1 1 For a ranking of Ph.D. programs in different disciplines in Economics see, for instance, http://econphd.econwiki.com/rankings.htm 2

Application process (applicable to both Masters and Ph.D.s): o Grades: there is no cutoff. A GPA above 3.8 can get you in many of the top schools. A GPA below 3.6 essentially makes the top 20 schools really unlikely (maybe after the Masters they are reachable?) Below 3.4 implies a further drop in the schools ranking (getting into a Ph.D. with GPA of 3.5 or below is really difficult, a Masters is definitely a better first step). o GRE/GMAT: The GRE is usually required by most schools in Econ programs, the GMAT is normally for Finance programs alone. Both exams don t have anything to do with Economics. The GRE exam consists of three sections: quantitative section (high school algebra and some algebra and geometry, nothing about calculus!), analytical section (describe the flaw in an argument), and verbal (missing words, synonyms, etc.). Econ departments will ask you to basically nail the quantitative section (around 760 out of 800, or a higher grade), but won t care much about your verbal section being lower than that of a guy from Sweden (no kidding, we have seen so many cases!). You can take it several times, until you nail it. More information at: www.ets.org/gre o Courses: The more math courses you have taken the better: not only a couple of Calculus and Algebra. If you take some Introduction to Real Analysis in the Math department, admissions offices will put you on the top of the list. Regarding Econ courses, your admission package looks way better if you have taken the hard classes: some additional econometrics/statistics, game theory, industrial organization, labor economics, etc. What if you have already taken most of these classes? Then enroll in the Math or Micro class for Masters students. Contact the instructor teaching the class ahead of time telling him/her about your plans for grad school. They will surely allow you to take the class for credit, or at least auditing (while submitting assignments and exams). This will be really appreciated by any graduate program. o Letters of recommendation: You will need 2-3 letters of recommendation from faculty that knows you relatively well: either you had him/her in more than one class (your grade in that class was good, and you visited the faculty in several of his/her office hours), or you worked as a TA for him/her. The ideal recommendation letter must therefore come from some faculty who knows you well and who had to go through a hard graduate program himself/herself. Recall that graduate programs want to know whether you can handle the coursework at top programs (faculty who got their Ph.D.s at top schools know how much you will have to work if you 3

o are admitted), and also whether you can teach review sessions as a TA, or do some work as an RA for them while in the program. Miscellaneous: Being an EconClub member is good, doing some research in the EconS 490 class is also good, being the TA for some class is also appreciated (especially upper level micro, macro or econometrics), being the RA for some faculty at WSU is also good, and participating in other student/religious organizations is also good. How many programs should I apply to? o Application fees differ among programs, but most students usually apply to about 12 programs. o Importantly, you should look at your pool of schools as a portfolio problem, where you don t want to risk so much, yet not be too risk averse either! Maybe sending applications to 1-2 schools from the top 15-20, then about 5 in the interval from #20 to #40, another 3 in the bracket of #40- #60, and the remaining applications to schools in the #60-#80 (including WSU, of course). o Of course, your distribution of applications depends on the strength of your profile: send a few more in the bracket #20-#40, or rather more to the #60-#80 bracket. What about MBA programs? o They are only useful after about 3-5 years of job experience. o Most schools won t even accept your application if it is not accompanied by such experience. o They are really applied. o Are they worth it? Mixed evidence: some studies suggest that the increase in average salaries due to the MBA is mostly explained by the contacts created during your 2 years of coursework, e.g., your classmate is now working for one of your suppliers. Other Masters/Ph.D.s in more specialized fields: o Examples: Law and Economics, Sports Economics, International Economics, etc. o If you go to some of the top schools it might be worth it, otherwise it reduces the pool of job offers you can apply to once you are done. 4

Careers http://www.aeaweb.org/students/careers.php 1 of 4 9/26/2011 4:19 PM Careers What careers follow the economics baccalaureate? For Undergraduate Students Economics for College Students Economics majors are successful in a wide variety of careers. Although various roles in businesses are most common, economics majors are successful in law, medicine, government, non-profits, and international relations, as well as in academic roles. Career Earnings One way to think about career opportunities is to consider the level of earnings typically found with different levels and kinds of education in different careers. The Corporate World & the MBA Most economics majors pursue employment in the private sector. Graduates in economics succeed in many occupations. Some students plan to earn the Masters of Business Administration (MBA) degree in time. Others find employment with the BA is sufficient to fulfill their aspirations. Economic Consulting Some economists with BA degrees find employment as research associates with economic consulting firms. Consultants advise firms on business strategies, prepare economic evidence for court cases, and develop analyses to influence public policy. Law and Other Professions Law school is also a common destination for recent graduates in economics. The careful reasoning in economics is a good fit for law and many careers in the law influence significant economic decisions for firms. Government and Not-for-profits Some students enter government service or choose jobs with non-profit entities. Governments at every level hire economists for their facility with statistics and analysis. Professors, Teachers and Researchers of Economics Some graduates in economics are interested in academic careers. They are drawn by the love of the study of economics and the prospect of teaching and writing about economics as a career. The Department of Economics at the University of Wisconsin provides a list of websites for searching for jobs and internships. Career Earnings A Wall Street Journal article estimated average starting salaries by discipline for 2008. (Anjali Athavaley, For Class of 08, A Scramble of Jobs, Wall Street Journal, April 8, 2008, D1, 3.) Economics came in fourth among 16 majors at $43,419. Above economics were computer programming, and mathematics with engineering at the top with $49,707. Accounting was just below economics at $42,104. Management Science was seventh at $40,592 followed by finance and marketing. MSN.careers reports somewhat different average starting salaries by college major for 2008. MSN reports a survey by the National Association of Colleges and Employers that puts the mean starting salary for economics majors in 2008 at $52,926, compared to computer science at $56,921 and marketing at $43,459. In 2007, the average starting salaries of new college graduates with economics majors were somewhat below that of engineers, compared well with business graduates, and exceeded that of other social sciences. Average Starting Salary Offers to Inexperienced Bachelor s Degree Recipients by Curriculum, Summer 2007 What is Economics? Fields of Economics Current Issues Finding Facts Developing Skills Popular Books College Programs Careers in Economics What's needed for Graduate Study? Opportunities to Learn and Discuss Research For Graduate Students Graduate Study in Economics Graduate Schools Graduate Program Rankings Graduate Education Research Job Market and Salary Contact Us Baccalaureate Curriculum Salary Chemical Engineering $59,361 Electrical/electronics Engineering $55,292 Computer Science $53,396 Civil Engineering $48,509 Economics $48,483 Finance $47,239 Accounting $46,718 Business Administration/Management $43,701 Chemistry $41,506 Marketing $40,161 Biological/Life Sciences $34,953 History $33,768 Sociology $32,033 Psychology $31,631 Source: Nathan E. Bell, Nicole M. Di Fabio, and Lisa M. Frehill, Salaries of Scientists, Engineers and Technicians: A Summary of Salary Surveys. The

Careers http://www.aeaweb.org/students/careers.php 2 of 4 9/26/2011 4:19 PM Commission on Professionals in Science and Technology (CPST: Washington, DC 2007) selected curricula from page 8. Median earnings of economists by highest level of degree for persons of all ages observed in 2003 are given in the table below by gender. Highest Degree Men Women BA $65,000 $49,000 MA $80,000 $60,000 PhD $96,000 $83,500 Source: Source: Nathan E. Bell, Nicole M. Di Fabio, and Lisa M. Frehill, Salaries of Scientists, Engineers and Technicians: A Summary of Salary Surveys. The Commission on Professionals in Science and Technology (CPST: Washington, DC 2007) selected curricula from pages 41, 43, and 48. Information about lifetime earnings associated with different education programs comes from surveys that follow the same people over many years. A first wave of questions might come in college to gather details about major and background. A second wave might come a few years after college to collect information about post baccalaureate studies and first jobs. Third and fourth waves come a decade and more later to track earnings later in life. The Bureau of Labor Statistics and other groups conduct national surveys of this kind every decade or so. Although the most recent survey is a decade old, it shows that economics majors with the BA continue to compare well with other majors at mid-career. [Daniel E. Hecker, ʺEarnings of College Graduates: Women Compared with Men,ʺ Monthly Labor Review, 121 #3, March 1998, pp. 62-71]. Mid-Career Earnings The Center on Education and the Workforce at Georgetown University report the median earnings of adults working full-time for a full-year whose education stopped with the bachelor s degree. The data below report earnings by college major using data from the American Community Survey 2009 from the Bureau of the Census for selected majors by gender and also reports the percentage with graduate degrees. Anthony P. Carnevale - Jeff Strohl - Michelle Melton The Economic Value of College Majors Georgetown University, Center on Education and the Workforce http://cew.georgetown.edu/whatsitworth/ Median Earnings with BA or BS Percent with Female Male Graduate Degree Social Science Economics $57,000 $74,000 40 Political Science & Government $49,000 $63,000 47 Psychology $41,000 $53,000 43 Sociology $42,000 $54,000 34 Business Accounting $55,000 $75,000 24 Finance $52,000 $70,000 26 Management $50,000 $64,000 20 Marketing $48,000 $65,000 14 Engineering Architecture $55,000 $65,000 32 Chemical Engineering $72,000 $92,000 45 Civil Engineering $62,000 $80,000 35 Electrical Engineering $70,000 $86,000 42 Mathematics & Computers Computer Science $70,000 $79,000 28 Mathematics $54,000 $75,000 47

Careers http://www.aeaweb.org/students/careers.php 3 of 4 9/26/2011 4:19 PM Corporate World & The MBA Although the economics major does not provide training for specific occupations, it provides the logical structure that pays off in understanding the big picture, the context for entering several fields in the corporate world. Its emphasis on logical thought and problem solving skills has universal value. Many employers seek to hire graduates with these skills. Some students aspire to earn Master of Business Administration (MBA) degrees, typically expecting to complete a two-year program in a graduate business school. Leading MBA programs expect applicants to have had several years of significant business experience before enrolling. The average age of students entering top MBA programs is 27 years. Business Week provides an online guide to MBA programs as does Peterson s, BusinessDegreeOnline, and a number of others. The better MBA programs give some preference in admission to applicants with technical backgrounds including engineering, physics & math, and economics. Some areas of study in business like finance use a significant amount of mathematics. Undergraduate study in business then is not a primary or even necessarily a desirable path to an MBA. Of course, people who have developed their own successful businesses or enjoyed considerable success in other ways also tend to be attractive to MBA recruiters. The schools value success in many forms. Students intent on careers as managers often seek a strong, general education. They want to learn effective communication skills, to develop habits of logical thought, and to practice their problem solving skills. Many undergraduate programs do this well; economics is often particularly effective. In addition to careers as general managers and entrepreneurs, economics majors also often pursue careers in specific occupations common to the corporate world. Economics majors with the BA degree find jobs in the financial world, in marketing, and consulting. Some pursue one-year post baccalaureate programs for entry into a target career. The Master of Accountancy (MAc), for example, will launch an accounting career and go a long way toward completion of requirements for the Certified Public Accountant title. Students who have a specific occupational goal will often do well in enrolling in a program of training specific for that occupation. For example, accounting majors readily get jobs as accountants on completing a BA. Finance majors have a good chance of being employed as financial analysts or budget officers. The broader horizons of the economics major are certainly not for everyone. Economic Consulting Economics graduates with good analytic and communication skills find employment with consulting firms. McKinsey & Company, Boston Consulting Group, Bain & Company, Accenture, Charles Rivers Associates, Mathematica Policy Research, and NERA Economic Consulting are examples. Analysts with consulting firms often work with data, develop models of specific markets, and provide testimony in public hearings and in lawsuits. Many graduates find that a few years experience with a consulting firm is a good lead into an MBA, law program, or graduate study in economics. Many consulting firms invite application for employment through their websites. Law and Other Professions The economics major is one of many common paths to law school. The Law School Admission Council provides the official guide to law schools for the American Bar Association. The Guide emphasizes extensive reading and library research, skill in synthesizing large amounts of information, and logical thinking. In addition to general skills, the Guide points to breadth of knowledge of history, politics, finance, human behavior, and diverse cultures. Many careers in law involve shaping economic decisions. Writing and interpreting contracts, supporting mergers and acquisitions, dealing with the tax system, addressing disputes of workers, landlords, and vendors; all involve decisions with significant economic content and implications. A recent analysis of scores on the LSAT test for law school admission reported for students who apply to at least one ABA accredited law school shows economic majors earned relatively high mean LSAT scores as shown in table 2. The LSAT score ranges from 120 to 180 with mean and median near 152. The first quartile is near 144 and the third quartile is near 157. The LSAT score along with undergraduate grade point average and the quality of the undergraduate college are important influences in the admissions decisions of competitive law schools. [Michael Nieswiadomy, ʺLSAT Scores of Economics Majors: The 2003-04 Class Update,ʺ Journal of Economic Education 37 #2, Spring 2006. Pp. 244-7. Available in JSTOR] Table 2: Average LSAT Scores by Major, 2002-03. Rank Major LSAT score # of takers 1 Economics 156.6 4,163 2 Engineering 155.4 3,367 3 History 155.0 4,716 4 English 154.3 6,265 5 Finance 152.6 3,492 6 Political Science 152.1 15,023 7 Psychology 152.1 5,164 8 Criminal Justice 144.7 3,433 Total (all categories) 152.2 94,391 Source: adapted from Nieswiadomy as in text. Among the eight disciplines with more than 3,000 students taking the LSAT, the 4,163 economics majors received the highest average score at 156.6 as shown in the table. Looking more broadly at majors or groups of similar majors with at least 700 takers, economics ranked third behind physics/math (723 takers with mean 158.9) and philosophy/religion (2,410 takers with mean 157.4). Some economics majors enroll in medical and dental programs by adding enough science courses to their undergraduate career to qualify for admission. Many undergraduate economics programs include courses on health economics and students often report that the physicians like talking about economic policy issues when they interview applicants to their medical schools.

Careers http://www.aeaweb.org/students/careers.php 4 of 4 9/26/2011 4:19 PM Government and Not-for-profits Governments at every level hire economists to manage and evaluate their operations. The Office of Personnel Management (OPM) of the Federal government provides information about Federal employment opportunities. Their USAJobs site lists thousands of openings of all kinds in many locations across the country. Search on ʺeconomistʺ to find information about specific current opportunities. There are often openings for economists with BA, MA, and PhD degrees. The OPM website also gives general information about Federal pay scales. BA economists with little experience are (to simplify a bit) at grade GS-7, with MAs at GS-9, and new PhDs start at GS-12. Although pay does differ with the cost of living in different locations, BA economists started at $31,209 or above in 2006. The Federal Reserve Board and its affiliated regional Federal Reserve Banks also hire economists and research assistants at various levels of education. Skill with statistics and in managing data will be helpful for many entry jobs. Economists are valued in the Foreign Service and civil service in the State Department, and as analysts with the Central Intelligence Agency. State governments have similar websites that list public service jobs with pay scales and application procedures. Searching the Internet for ʺstate employmentʺ will usually yield an appropriate link. International agencies of many kinds hire economists for a variety of roles. Additional languages, strong communication skills, experience with diverse cultures, and statistical skills are often important. The World Bank, for example, offers jobs for economists. The Bank has an internship program as well. One way to learn about employment with non-profits is to go to the Idealist website and look for roles in economic development or other areas of interest. Professors, Teachers and Researchers of Economics The Doctor of Philosophy degree (PhD) in economics is necessary for a faculty position in economics at most four-year colleges in the US. A masters degree is the typical credential for faculty at two-year colleges. Although some students complete masters programs before entering PhD programs, many go directly from BA programs into PhD programs. Completion of a PhD requires about six years of full-time study. See the AEA website for information about graduate study. Holders of the Ph.D. often also choose research careers outside of academics, including roles at the Federal Reserve, international agencies, and government policy and evaluation departments as well as in private banks, investment houses, and other for-profit ventures There are about 100 universities in the US who together produce about 1,000 new PhDs each year. About half of the graduates are US citizens and the other half come from abroad. [John J. Siegfried and Wendy A. Stock, ʺThe Undergraduate Origins of Ph. D. Economists,ʺ Working Paper, May 2006] Although the number of economics majors has grown significantly over the decades, the number of new PhDs who intend to pursue careers in the US has declined. As a consequence, employment opportunities for PhD economists in academia should be excellent in the decades ahead. The Commission on Professionals in Science Technology (mentioned above, page 8) reports starting salaries for assistant professors by field. At $78,567, economics is well above the average of $65,205 of all fields in 2006-07. The table below reports average salary offers to newly hired economists at each academic rank by type of institution. Average Academic Salary Offers for Senior Level Economists by Rank and Type of Institution, 2006-07 Rank of Academic Economist All PhD Granting Institutions BA & MA Institutions Senior Assistant Professor $95,995 $80,167 Associate Professor with Tenure $128,600 $82,333 Full Professor $204,800 $97,500 Source: Nathan E. Bell, Nicole M. Di Fabio, and Lisa M. Frehill, Salaries of Scientists, Engineers and Technicians: A Summary of Salary Surveys. The Commission on Professionals in Science and Technology (CPST: Washington, DC 2007) selected curricula from page 268. Academic economists at PhD granting institutions play leading roles in the development of new ideas in economics and publish their work in the journals and books mentioned on the publications page. As teachers, economists play an important role in supporting the undergraduate major in economics and the various graduate programs. A number of PhD economists hold faculty positions in MBA programs, law and medical schools, public policy programs, and in a number of other fields. Economists on the faculty of leading professional schools often earn premium salaries. A number of for-profit and not-for-profit enterprises hire research economists as do many government and international agencies. The National Association of Business Economics provides information about business careers for economists. The career sites for government and not-for-profits mentioned above also point to opportunities for researchers. Current job openings for economists in academia and with some other employers appears in JOE, Job Openings in Economics. Most of the jobs listed in JOE require graduate study in economics. AEA Journals Annual Meeting EconLit RFE JOE Members 2011 AEA. The American Economic Association is hosted by Vanderbilt University.