Career s Advisory Service Trinity College Thursday 2 nd October 2014 Linda Ryan Careers Adviser

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1 Career s Advisory Service Trinity College Thursday 2 nd October 2014 Linda Ryan Careers Adviser

2 So you are thinking of becoming a doctor Why? What do you hope, think, believe it will bring you? How long have you been thinking of this? Are you making this choice out of your own aspirations? What is your understanding of the skills, qualities and attributes required to be a doctor and working in the medical profession? What steps have you taken to ensure this is the right choice for you at present?

3 NHS Medical Careers Self-assessment Tool - Also Trinity Careers Service site has other tools that can help solidify your decision

4 Medical Career Pathway Intern year 12 months (including at least 3 months medicine, 3 months surgery, 2-3 other specialities) Central application and matching system HSE (centile rank) Basic Specialist Training (BST), Registrar Training 10 programmes, usually 2 years (SHO), pass exams/competitive interview Higher Specialist Training (BST) 4-6 years or longer working as a Specialist Registrar

5 Consultant Many doctors spend some time working abroad and building up their portfolio of research, audits and publications before becoming a consultant. See website of the Royal College of Physicians of Ireland ( General Practice, 4 years: Application by competitive process through ICGP ( 2 years in approved SHO post (hospital) e.g. medicine, paeds, obs and gynae, ENT, A and E, psych 2 years as registrar in GP setting with GP trainer

6 Your choices around entry into medicine within Ireland and UK/EU/Further a field 1. Undergraduate with your leaving results and the HPAT 2. Mature student application is via the CAO and the individual HEI 3. Graduate entry to medicine, GAMSAT with a degree generally at 2:1 but this depends again on the HEI (Some HEI in UK take 2:2 degree marks )

7 Undergraduate Entry into medicine in Ireland Leaving Cert + HPAT Results Apply through CAO by 20 th January (late closing date 1 st February) Leaving certificate > 480 points plus HPAT score 2014 points 733 * 2013 points 748*, 2012 points ( *), 2011 points ( *) 480 points + individual subject requirements in the same sitting of the LC >550 adjusted to a maximum score of 565 e.g. LC 590 = 558 adjusted score Fees implication for those who have already taken a degree EU/Non-EU depending on the criteria you fulfill e.g. EU fee 8,456, Non-EU fee 31,085 (TCD )

8 Undergraduate Entrance Examination The HPAT (Health Profession Aptitude Test) The HPAT-Ireland test is a 2½ hour paper-based test consisting of three modules or sections: I. Logical Reasoning and Problem Solving (65 mins), II. III. Interpersonal Understanding (45 mins) Non-Verbal Reasoning (40 mins) Multiple choice, with one correct response; No negative marking

9 Registration opens early Nov 2014, need CAO number must submit CAO online closes 20 th Jan (includes practice test with worked solutions) (late closing date 1 st Feb, + 70, exceptional late date 3 rd Feb + 105) Special testing conditions detailed statement and supporting letter from registered health practitioner by 4 th February Dyslexia/ learning difficulties educational psych. s report Test date: 28 th Feb 2015 Results late June 2015, 1 year currency

10 Mature Entry Mature Student: person aged 23 on 1 st January of year of entry CAO + directly to admissions office (supplementary form) apply by 1 st February Trinity - Grade B and a Grade C in two of Biology and Chemistry or Physics at higher Leaving Certificate level or equivalent. All applicants must sit the HPAT-Ireland test which will assist with short-listing candidates for interview. Reserves 7 places UCC - A HC3 Chemistry and either Physics or Biology in the Leaving Certificate or equivalent is required, as well as the HPAT Exam. There are four places available on this course for mature applicants.

11 Mature entry Cont/d Irish HEI s CONTD NUIG - 2 mature places to medicine for the academic year 13/14. The entry criteria is honours science from leaving cert, HPAT test and then short listing for mini interviews (MMI) UCD - Please note that students who qualify to apply for Graduate entry to Medicine will not be eligible to apply through the mature entry route. Subject requirements, HPAT, work experience, personal statement and interview. RCSI - The HPAT minimum score for mature applicants varies from year to year. Candidates above this score are invited to submit their CV, a personal statement and references supporting their application. Structured interview which takes place in May, comprised of two panels; one Academic and the other Clinical.

12 Graduate Entry Graduate entrance test Ireland Degree 2:1 and your GAMSAT SCORE Graduate Australian Medical Schools Admission Test Part 1 Reasoning in the Humanities and Social Sciences (75 multiple choice Q s 1 hr 40 min) Part 2 Written communication (2 X 30 min writing tests) Part 3 Reasoning in the Biological and Physical Sciences (Chemistry 40%, Biology 40% and Physics 20% Multiple choice Q s 2 hrs 50 min) No negative marking

13 GAMSAT Offered in Ireland once a year but you can sit it in other locations and use this for your application too Test centres are in Dublin, Cork and Limerick Plan where you want to take the test very carefully Valid for 2 years take the test 2014 valid for 2014 and 2015

14 College No Places 14 GAMSAT SCORES UL RCSI UCC UCD Benefit of taking GAMSAT is that it covers all Irish options and some UK one s

15 Scoring SCORE = (1 x Section I + 1 x Section II + 2 x Section III) 4 Ireland: 21 st March 2015 (registration opens early Nov 2014, closes 1 1th Feb) Ireland: 310 (+ 70 late registration fee by 11 th Feb) Results usually late-may 2015 Special testing conditions: health statement plus letter from registered health practitioner, Dyslexia statement plus report from Educational Psychologist by 11 February Preparation materials e-books (some older versions still current) Test results valid for two years, can use results for Ireland, UK and Australia

16 COST OF Medicine Each HEI will have some relationship with a lender and feel obliged to recommend these but students have found other lenders more favourable For example UL /ULSTER BANK RCSI/AIB BANK /BANK OF IRELAND UCC/BANK OF IRELAND UL Scholarship fees plus a modest contribution towards living expenses It costs approx 25K to put a student through medical school, there is funding for approx 12-13K of this by the state but again this depends on the specific HEI so check this out.

17 UK Requirements Graduate and undergrad UCAS apply as an individual deadline 15 th October 2014 Personal statement and one reference (contact details only + UCAS follow-up) 4 choices: Location, 5 year v 4 year, Learning style? Which suits you best? Entrance requirements grade, discipline, A-level/LC grades, Selection method? Entrance tests UKCAT, GAMSAT, BMAT? Interview / Assessment Centre

18 Funding/Cost UK graduate entry to UG 5 year course First 4 years may be eligible for a full income based maintenance loan from Student Finance England, Year 5 may be eligible for NHS bursary for fees 2013/14; GEM entry - student pays 3,465 year 1, loan from Student Finance England for remainder ( 5,535). Years 2-4 NHS bursary for 3,465 and loan to cover remainder. Again you will need to check this out with the relevant training body.

19 Arrangements for funding for students starting their studies in 2015/16 and beyond are yet to be announced. PLEASE CHECK your eligibility

20 UKCAT UK Clinical Aptitude Test Verbal reasoning 22 mins Quantitative reasoning 23 mins Abstract reasoning 14 mins Decision analysis 34 mins Situational Judgement 27 mins multiple choice, no negative marking Result immediately at test centre

21 UKCAT Cont/d Practice tests online plus general practice tests, free UKCAT Practice App 2015 dates: Registration opened 1st May (closed 20 th Sept) Register and book early! Testing: 1 st July October 3 rd October 65 if test taken before end August, 80 after that Valid for year in which you are starting university, ie 2013 for 2014 or 2015 deferred start

22 Universities that require UKCAT University of Aberdeen Brighton and Sussex Medical School Cardiff University University of Dundee University of Durham University of East Anglia University of Edinburgh University of Exeter University of Glasgow Hull York Medical School Keele University King's College London Imperial College London University of Leeds University of Leicester University of Manchester University of Newcastle University of Nottingham Plymouth University Queen Mary, University of London Queen's University Belfast University of Sheffield University of Southampton University of St Andrews St George's, University of London Warwick University

23 Graduate Australian Medical Schools Admission Test I Reasoning in the Humanities and Social Sciences (75 multiple choice 1 hr 40 min) II Written communication (2 X 30 min writing tests) III Reasoning in the Biological and Physical Sciences (Chemistry 40%, Biology 40% and Physics 20% Multiple choice 2 hrs 50 min) No negative marking SCORE = (1 x Section I + 1 x Section II + 2 x Section III) 4

24 UK: 234 UK: 17 th September 2014 (registration opened 2 nd June, closed 9 th August, results late- November) Exeter (5yr), St. Georges London (4y), Nottingham (4y), Plymouth (5y), University of Wales, Swansea (4y), Liverpool (5y, 4y), Cardiff (5y) Buy sample e-booklets online Test results valid for two years, Can use results of one for both Ireland and UK

25 BioMedical Admissions Test BMAT Section 1: Aptitude and Skills (60 minutes - 35 multiple choice / short answer questions) Section 2: Scientific Knowledge and Applications (30 minutes - 27 multiple choice / short answer questions) Section 3: Writing Task (30 minutes - 1 essay question from a choice of 4)

26 44 EU standard entry fee Practice tests online 2013: Test date 5 th November 2014, Closing date 1 st Oct 2014 LATE closing date 15 th October! ( ), Results November 2014 Cambridge, Imperial College London, Oxford, UCL, Brighton & Sussex Medical School Valid for year in which you are starting university, ie 2013 for 2014 or 2015 deferred start

27 GEM Requirements UK

28 What are my chances?

29 What else do they want? Personal statement Interviews Assessments

30 Personal Statements Why medicine and why now as a graduate? Show commitment work experience, volunteering? What did you learn about yourself as well as the job? Evidence of interaction with patients, ethical issues raised? Links between your course and choice of medicine?

31 Understanding of the core qualities of a doctor

32 Do you have the these/ potential to develop these? Leadership, Communication, Team Working, Problem Solving? Achievement in extra-curricular activities? Any unique selling points? Future focus, no need to be definite Copycatch 4,000 characters NOT WORDS Structure

33 Interviews - UK Anything from 15 minutes upwards Don t assume they have read your personal statement! May include tour of medical school with current students Some provide list of questions

34 Assessment centre process/mini-mock interview Why medicine? Why this school? Teaching Style? Course structure? Competencies independent learner, teamwork, leadership, problemsolving Insight into implications of career choice? Scenarios/medical ethical topics? (stress questions) Don t be afraid to express an opinion articulately, but must be able to take on alternative viewpoints!

35 Southampton (4 year) Any discipline II.1 + chemistry / biology requirement UKCAT - must score 2500 or above in the UKCAT exam in order for their application to be considered further Applicants are ranked by UKCAT score A certain percentage are invited to a selection day, which will include an interview and group task

36 Nottingham (4 year) - Any discipline min. II.2 - UCAS + GAMSAT (Cut off ) - For entry for applicants with a 2:1 honours degree or above - 64 for applicants with a 2:2 honours in any subject discipline - Candidates must achieve a minimum score of 55 in Section 2 (written); 55 in either Section 1 (arts) or 3 (Science) and at least 50 in the remaining section, in order to gain an interview.

37 A higher GAMSAT cut off will be used where the applicant has a lower 2nd class degree. "Record of Work Experience" once you apply E.g. volunteering in a care home, working as a Healthcare Assistant within a hospital. Interview (March/April): Clinician, Academic, Lay Person multiple miniinterview Are you realistic about what it means to be a doctor? Your interest in the field of medicine Your personal attributes

38 Hull and York Medical School (5 year) Interview 1 group, 2 x individual 1. Group interview (20 minutes) your ability to work collaboratively in a group how you contribute relevant information to the group discussion whether you articulate your own thoughts effectively and clearly in this setting 2. Individual interview (10 minutes) motivation and commitment to a career in medicine experience and understanding of a career in medicine awareness and understanding of current medical issues

39 3. Individual interview (10 minutes) communication skills personal qualities such as empathy, tolerance of ambiguity and resilience critical thinking Total interview score out of 60 Total score UCAS application score + UKCAT score + interview score /85 Top 300 offered places

40 Thinking of going further a field Location EU, overseas, combination (e.g. UK + Caribbean) Costs e.g. approx. 13,000 per year 6 years (EU locations), 20 40,000 per year outside Requirements subjects, special entrance exams Language support nb. Clinical practice Building your professional network ** Check with IMC re recognition and requirements for registration

41 Further a field contd EXAMPLES: Charles University Prague (UK agent: Debrecen University Hungary ( University of Pecs, Hungary ( St. Matthews University in the Cayman Islands ( St. Georges University Grenada, Caribbean ( for training systems outside EEA

42 How CAS can help you? Is medicine for me? Lets talk about it Make an appointment to discuss with a careers adviser How to apply? Medicine resources at are.php Which courses to apply for?

43 Make an appointment to discuss your draft with a careers adviser Preparing for interview - book a video or mock interview with a careers adviser Preparing for UKCAT UKCAT website and Profiling for Success sample verbal and numerical reasoning tests

44 ACTION PLAN Now - Summer Sept Build relevant experience for UK personal statement and interview Register for and sit UKCAT (do this early!) Summer Apply for BMAT (if relevant) Summer Prepare Personal Statement, decide on 4 choices for UCAS application Approach referee for UK Register for GAMSAT UK (if applicable) before mid- August Get GAMSAT/ BMAT sample booklets and start preparing Attend Relevant events and open days Sit GAMSAT UK September (if applicable) Oct Apply for UK Medicine programmes through UCAS (closing 15 th )

45 Nov Nov Jan Dec April February March May June August Sit BMAT (if applicable) GAMSAT Ireland registration opens HPAT Ireland registration opens (need CAO number to register) Prepare for GAMSAT CAO Closing date for GEM, and UG entry 1 st Feb Dentists only Apply to TCD Admissions for advanced entry 1 st Feb GEM UK interviews Mock interview CAS, assessment centre w/shop Sit HPAT Ireland Sit GAMSAT Ireland Results GAMSAT Ireland Results HPAT Ireland GEM and UG offers through CAO - CONGRATULATIONS!

46 Upcoming events and information RCSI Open Day for Graduate Entry Programme into Medicine will take place on Thursday 20 th November 2014 UL 16 & 17 th October UCC open day 11 th October UCD Medicine Visiting Programme March 2015 two options Those interested in forming a GAMSAT study group, meet after the session in the conversation room

47 Royal College of Physicians, Ireland Central Applications Office GAMSAT Ireland GAMSAT UK HPAT Ireland UCAS NHS Student Bursaries UK medical programmes UKCAT - BioMedical Admissions Test (BMAT) Articles relevant to UK entry CAS Medicine Resources Online Online at -

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