IPv6 from the Moon to the Earth Thomas Nilsson thomas@certezza.net
> whoami Thomas Nilsson [thomas@certezza.net] A pragmatic security nerd Founder of Certezza [www.certezza.net] An independent information security company offering extensive knowledge and experience to private and public organizations We have been on the markets for nearly 20 years and I ve been in the business for almost 30 years.
Why this topic? Topics seldom has anything to do with the actual content, but think of "That's one small step for (a) man, one giant leap for mankind Neil Armstrong 1969-07-21 02:56 UTC There are some parallels, but also some worries from my perspective
Our IPv6 journey This presentation reflect our own IPv6 journey that started around 2007 It was obvious that our current ISP couldn t deliver IPv6 We never intended to do a complete survey, just a quick check if the grass was greener somewhere else No one is more pleased than me if there are false negatives along the journey
Our ISP IP-only in 2008 At first, we were begging for 6 months Then, our packets missed the shortest track 64 bytes from 130.244.39.101: icmp_seq=1 ttl=250 time=1.32 ms 64 bytes from 130.244.39.101: icmp_seq=2 ttl=250 time=1.37 ms 64 bytes from 130.244.39.101: icmp_seq=3 ttl=250 time=1.38 ms -------------------------------------------------------------- 64 bytes from 2a00:800:0:1::3:2: icmp_seq=1 ttl=50 time=363 ms 64 bytes from 2a00:800:0:1::3:2: icmp_seq=2 ttl=50 time=362 ms 64 bytes from 2a00:800:0:1::3:2: icmp_seq=3 ttl=50 time=363 ms In parallel we started to look around for alternatives
We picked 12 ISP s in spring 2009 Bahnhof Tele2 Bredbandsbolaget Telenor ComHem Telecity IP-Only TeliaSonera Phonera Verizon TDC
Only 5 of 12 were able to deliver IPv6 Bahnhof Tele2 Bredbandsbolaget Telenor ComHem Telecity IP-Only TeliaSonera Phonera Verizon TDC
Actions in autumn 2009 Let s get more specific Who can really deliver IPv6 to Kornhamnstorg 61 in the Old Town? Let s add some more ISP s We selected ISP s that where connected to more than one of Netnods exchange points
16 ISP s checked in autumn 2009 AllTele Phonera Bahnhof Riksnet Bredband2 TDC Bredbandsbolaget Tele2 ComHem T3 Glocalnet Telecity IP-Only Telenor Netatonce Telia
Only 6 of 16 were able to deliver IPv6 AllTele Phonera Bahnhof Riksnet Bredband2 TDC Bredbandsbolaget Tele2 ComHem T3 Glocalnet Telecity IP-Only Telenor Netatonce Telia NEW
Re-check in 2011 A quick question was sent out in the beginning of 2011 to those who had not yet added IPv6 Based on our survey in 2009 Who can really deliver IPv6 to Kornhamnstorg 61 in the Old Town?
16 ISP s checked in spring 2011 AllTele Phonera Bahnhof Riksnet Bredband2 TDC Bredbandsbolaget Tele2 ComHem T3 Glocalnet Telecity IP-Only Telenor Netatonce Telia
Only 8 of 16 were able to deliver IPv6 AllTele Phonera Bahnhof Riksnet NEW Bredband2 TDC Bredbandsbolaget Tele2 ComHem T3 Glocalnet Telecity IP-Only Telenor Netatonce NEW Telia
Re-check again in spring 2015 Let s add some more ISP s We selected ISP s that where connected to more than one of Netnods exchange points A quick question was sent out in the beginning of 2015 to the selected ISP s Who can really deliver IPv6 to Kornhamnstorg 61 in the Old Town?
19 ISP s checked in spring 2015 AllTele Bahnhof Bredband2 Bredbandsbolaget ComHem DGC Access Glocalnet IP-Only Networks Net at Once Sweden Phonera Portlane Riksnet TDC Tele2 Telecity T3 / Telecom3 Telenor TeliaSonera Verizon
Only 12 of 19 were able to deliver IPv6 AllTele Bahnhof Bredband2 NEW Bredbandsbolaget ComHem DGC Access NEW Glocalnet IP-Only Networks Net at Once Sweden Phonera NOT? Portlane NEW Riksnet NOT? TDC Tele2 (Telecity) NEW T3 / Telecom3 Telenor NEW TeliaSonera Verizon
Notes Glocalnet & Verizon Didn t answer Phonera & Riksnet Previously responded positively. A mistake? Telecity Not to our office, only at their site to hosting customers.
Some funny (?) comments ComHem spring 2009 At the current situation where this is a global issue and is not solely on ComHem's plate. ComHem spring 2011 At the moment there is no or very limited customer value in offering IPv6. Since IPv6 offers some technical challenges in addition to advantages there we are waiting to offer it in our network. When the technology is sufficiently widespread on the Internet ComHem will also be ready to enable IPv6.
Some more comments Bredbandsbolaget spring 2011 IPv6 will be implemented when there is a need for it and the moment, there is no such need. T3 spring 2011 At the moment we do not use IPv6. It is not yet released, the Internet is not ready for this yet. Until the world is ready we go IPv4! Then we will of course run IPv6.
And some brand new ones ComHem February 2015 IPv6 is a IP address that have 5 dots, ask the customer to buy a router that assigns IPv6 addresses. I don t think there are any operator in Sweden that assigns IPv6 T3 February 2015 We will release our version of IPv6 at the same time as the rest of the vendors and companies.
The Apollo program It took them 8 years to reach the goal Landing a man on the Moon and returning him safely to the Earth" It's been 8 years since our IPv6 trip started and too many of you are still on the moon. An advice, the market is not on the moon...
Our IPv6 journey ends here We are early adopters and they always suffer. We can live with that But, 8 years later, still 1 of 3 ISP s does not provide IPv6. We can hardly accept that! Finally, please train sales, marketing and support. They make it even worse
Thanks for listening!