1 Give Us Your Best: A Look at Church Service for a New Generation National Leadership Roundtable on Church Management Annual Conference at The Wharton School June 28 29, 2007 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
2 63 The Economic Considerations of Recruiting, Retaining, and Motivating the Very Best for Church Service Panel Charles Geschke (Moderator) William Daly Linda Bearie Dennis Corcoran William Daly During this discussion, we re going to take a look at salaries paid in dioceses and parishes and compare them with salaries paid in nonprofit organizations and the counterparts of Catholic parishes in Protestant denominations. The sources of our information include the National William Daly Diocesan Salary Survey, which covers approximately 100 Catholic dioceses, or about 60 percent of the total number of Catholic dioceses in the United States; the Salary Survey of Catholic Charities Agencies, which covers about 90 Catholic charities; the Wage and Salary Survey of Catholic Parishes, which was conducted by NACPA (the National Association of Church Personnel Administrators) for the first time in 2005; and The Laborer Is Worthy of His Hire, a survey of priests salaries and benefits that s done every three years. For comparison purposes we re going to use data from other workplaces. Most of these data will come from two surveys: Compensation in Nonprofit Organizations, which covers about 1,600 nonprofits, and the National Church Staff Compensation Survey, whose database includes about 800 mostly Protestant parishes. The Metropolitan Benchmark Compensation Survey was used to fill in a couple of gaps.
3 64 Let s look at the findings, beginning with the diocesan salary data and how they compare with the nonprofit data (see Table 1). All of the data we show here, by the way, are administrative because it s hard to get matches for ministry positions in the nonprofit sector. Table 1: Comparison of Diocesan and Nonprofit Organization Salaries, 2005 National diocesan salary survey data National nonprofit salary data Difference Position Salary Position Salary (percent) Chief Financial & Administrative Officer/ 87,290 Chief Financial Officer 86, Director of Finance Accountant 37,361 Accountant 41, Director of Development/Stewardship 77,063 Director of Development 68, Director, Annual Giving 56,414 Annual Fund Manager 49, Director, Communications & Public 59,448 Director, Communications & Public 64, Relations Relations Catholic Newspaper Editor 54,649 Editor, Periodicals 56, Director, Information Techechnology/ 68,941 Director, Management of Information 64, Computer Operations Systems Director, Human Resources 67,404 Human Resources Manager 60, Executive Secretary to Bishop 36,772 Secretary to Chief Executive Officer 38, Executive Director, Catholic Charities 87,451 Chief Executive Officer, Social Service 88, Organization Case Worker (BA, BS) 29,572 Caseworker II 30, Building/Grounds Superintendent 42,155 Building Superintendent A 42, Average difference 1.2 Source: NACPA, You get a sense of the difference between the two types of organizations. You see that the Catholic data are a little ahead of the nonprofit data in some job categories, a little behind in others. On average, for the 12 positions listed, we re 1.2 percent ahead. There s another way to look at these data, and that s by size of organization. As you would expect, the larger organizations pay more than smaller ones. That s particularly true for top leadership positions, such as CFO and the executive director of Catholic Charities. In both cases, there s about a 30 percent difference between what a small diocese and a large diocese pays for these jobs. For other positions such as accountant, director of development, and Catholic newspaper editor the difference isn t as significant, though there is some. In the case of lower-level positions such as professional or support staff, the differences all but disappear between small and large dioceses.
4 65 Clearly, based on these numbers, work needs to be done by small dioceses to increase their salaries to make them more competitive. Let s turn now to the parishes, beginning with the position of pastor, where the difference is huge when you compare Catholic with Protestant and nonprofit. Since we were trying to make a comparison between what a true full salary is, we included in the Catholic priest data housing, food, and automobile expenses. In other words, everything a person might pay if they were getting a normal salary. I should add that the way Catholic priests are paid varies greatly in this country. The figure of $40,600 (see Table 2) is strictly a salary estimate. Regardless of the exact number, though, it s evident that the Catholic Church is far behind the Protestant and nonprofit sectors in its salary to pastors. Table 2: Catholic Parish, Protestant, Nonprofit Comparisons, 2005 Position Catholic Protestant Nonprofit (percent) Pastor 40,621 86,119 79, Business Manager ,600 52, Development Director 44,775 46, Director, Religious Education 44,447 45,100 48, Facilities/Maintenance Supervisor 36,090 39,400 38, Office Manager Bookkeeper/Account Clerk Secretary Receptionist Custodian/Maintenance Helper Kitchen/Cafeteria Worker Source: NACPA wage and salary pay by Catholic dioceses is pretty comparable with the nonprofit world. Parishes, on the other hand, are definitely behind what Protestant churches and the nonprofit sector pay.
5 66 Let s look next at a group of ministry and administrative positions. What you see when you look at the Catholic column, which reflects wage and salary data for parishes, is that it trails Protestant and nonprofit by roughly 7 percent in A similar situation exists with support staff positions. Catholic parishes are behind, though not as much as with ministry and administrative positions. In summary, our data show that wage and salary pay by Catholic dioceses is pretty comparable with the nonprofit world. Parishes, on the other hand, are definitely behind what Protestant churches and the nonprofit sector pay. A just wage really has three elements. The first is the living wage.... Second is the equitable wage... Finally, there s the proportional wage. Besides surveying parishes and dioceses, NACPA also creates and distributes general tools for helping organizations to address pay issues. In particular, over the last 10 years, we ve been looking at that part of Catholic social teaching that addresses the concept of a just wage. A just wage really has three elements. The first is the living wage, which is focused on the lowest pay range for adult workers, ensuring a floor that provides for basic needs. Second is the equitable wage, which addresses how wages are paid at all levels of the organization to all employees. It tries to ensure that everyone is paid fairly, in accordance with good human resource practices. Finally, there s the proportional wage, which addresses how salaries paid to people in the highest pay ranges impact the organization s ability to pay a living wage in the lowest pay ranges. Too much going to pay increases at the top can take away and make it difficult to keep the lowest wages at a living wage. Let s look a little more closely at the equitable wage, since it impacts everybody. There are three forms of equity that we re dealing with. First is internal equity, which works to ensure that jobs with comparable responsibilities and comparable skills are placed in the same pay range. In other words, people having equal responsibilities and skills are placed in the same pay range as other people with those responsibilities and skills. NACPA has created an internal equities grid, or sample, which is included in one of our publications, The Parish Pay Manual. We encourage dioceses to use this sample to create guidelines for all their parishes. Some have done that. Next we have external equity. External equity works to ensure that the organization s pay ranges are comparable to what similar employers are paying, and again, we publish sample guidelines for various jobs in The Parish Pay Manual. We would encourage dioceses to use this to develop their own guidelines, adjusted to their cost of living.
6 67 Individual equity works to ensure that organizations treat individual employees fairly in setting salaries. Finally we have individual equity. Individual equity works to ensure that organizations treat individual employees fairly in setting salaries. It s important that once you ve done these other things developed internal equity schemes and developed external equity pay ranges that you treat employees and individual employees fairly, both in applying the system to them and also in continuing to work with them. That means setting individual hiring rates correctly; placing employees in a range that doesn t cause problems with employees already in that range; and providing annual pay increases that make sense and are fair. Another sound piece of advice is to make equity adjustments if people fall behind adjustments that are based on their performance. Clearly, NACPA has done a lot of work in the important field of just and fair wages, and we encourage organizations to take advantage of our research and recommendations. Linda Bearie I d like to speak a little bit today about how the Church culture affects compensation, and how we view compensation. We ve spoken about it over the last several days, about the tradition of workers who have been called to ministry in the Church, primarily as clergy and religious men and women. We have a tradition of poverty in the Church; compensation was never really an issue. Those of us who joined the Church provided ministry out of a sense of service and love of God and our fellow human beings. There was honor in that sacrifice. Our real compensation was that we expected yet another star in our celestial crown. I don t think we ve moved entirely beyond that construct. We understand that in this culture, a wage for many of our clergy is not going to cover their essentials. This is also true Linda Bearie for lay employees who have to provide for their own medical care and retirement. I don t think many of the clergy who are leaders in our Church truly understand what it takes to raise a family and handle co-pays on medical care and all the other rising costs. It s not really a lack of good will, but a lack of experience that colors the way compensation is treated in our Church today. And because we don t have experience, there s not a lot of confidence about how to manage compensation. Also, I don t think we ve been very good at educating our parish-
7 68 ioners about the true cost of ministry, that is, good, vital ministry where we encourage and engage lay ministers in our Church. There s a tension between external equity and the internal values of the Church that we must learn to translate. Another factor that I believe impacts compensation is the values that we espouse and live. Truth is, the mission we pursue in our Church is not the mission of many organizations. We have different values. A good compensation system is a reflection of the values of an institution. In the corporate world, for instance, people who make money and handle money earn money. In the Church, our overriding value is that we take care of people. We take care of souls. The secular world doesn t value that in its compensation system the same way the Church does. It s evident in the difference in pay between a CPA, for example, and a social worker. We know we cannot exploit people. That s not what we re about. We re here to pay a just wage, to try and get the best and the brightest to work for the Church and live their lives without having to worry about just scraping by. There s a tension between external equity and the internal values of the Church that we must learn to translate. We may need to adjust and pay external equity for some of our jobs, or a little more than external equity for others. In the Diocese of San Jose, we strive to meet a five-to-one compensation ratio. In other words, our highest paid employee is not paid any more than five times our lowest paid employee. We know we cannot exploit people. That s not what we re about. We re here to pay a just wage, to try and get the best and the brightest to work for the Church and live their lives without having to worry about just scraping by. The second big compensation issue in the Church concerns internal equity. When I did a survey in the Diocese of San Jose in 1992 in anticipation of putting together our parish compensation program, I went out and I interviewed all the pastors about the benefits and the compensation they provided. I got some rather amusing responses. I asked one of the pastors, What do you provide in terms of sick leave? His response was, very seriously, When they re sick, they leave. The second
8 69 interesting fact I learned was that the highest paid individuals in almost every parish were the maintenance people. One of the questions that we face is, How do we create at the same time an internal equity and a market equity when our values are intrinsically different from those of the market? We struggle with that. It s one of the things we have to work on. The third major compensation issue is tied to budget. Where are we going to get the money to pay just wages? It s an established truth that in a good, solid professional ministry that creates a vitality within a parish, money will follow that vitality. That means when parishioners truly understand the costs of supporting that ministry, they ll be more willing to contribute. Years ago when we began moving away from the model of nearly all Catholic schools being run by religious women and men, we asked ourselves, How are we ever going to afford lay leadership in our educational system? In fact, we ve made that transition quite well. In the Diocese of San Jose, we pay lay-equivalent salaries to all of our religious. Therefore it doesn t become an issue if we lose a sister and have to start paying for a lay person, because the sister was already making a lay-equivalent salary.... in a good, solid professional ministry that creates a vitality within a parish, money will follow that vitality. That means when parishioners truly understand the costs of supporting that ministry, they ll be more willing to contribute. I d like to comment briefly on the implications of not having a good, healthy compensation system at both the diocesan and parish levels. I think we need to have a system that honors the professionalism of our employees. Not to have such a system is a statement in and of itself. It says we re not paying respectful attention, that we haven t done our research. It says we haven t done what we need to do to create a system that pays respectful attention to your education, your background, and your contributions. When it comes to compensation, I think what occurs is a conspiracy of mediocrity at the parish and diocesan levels on the part of both the leadership and employees. Let me give you an example. I had a pastor once say to me, I don t pay that person enough to evaluate them. They re basically my volunteer. If that s the case, then where do you set the compensation bar? I know intuitively that I m paying them too little, and they know they re not being paid enough. But we don t have any benchmarks; we don t have any information. How do we deal with that?
9 70 In San Jose, we have a committee of ministers, business managers, pastors, and parochial vicars from our parishes who contribute to the annual updating of compensation information. The interesting thing is that there are probably 10 other dioceses that have parish compensation guidelines, and we ve borrowed liberally from them. This is mandated in our diocese. The parishes have to pay on these scales. The other important piece is that we have a compensation program based on meritbased pay and increases.... education about compensation is absolutely essential at the diocesan and parish levels, and professionalism is absolutely essential. Let me close by saying that I think education about compensation is absolutely essential at the diocesan and parish levels, and professionalism is absolutely essential. We need to start paying respectful attention to this entire area if we re going to honor the hard work and dedication of our employees. Dennis Corcoran I feel like a rare bird when I say I am married with four children and I work full-time for the Catholic Church. There aren t many people in the country that can make that statement. I am privileged. I also want to single out the spirit of the Leadership Roundtable, and by that I mean the men and women in parishes throughout the country who have offered their competencies to help our parishes. I personally owe a debt of gratitude to those people, who in the spirit of the Leadership Roundtable took me under their wing and said to me, I know that s what the Church does, but why don t you try it this way. I d like to think I ve been gifted with an ear to listen and to have the courage to try some of those things. Dennis Corcoran I feel like a rare bird when I say I am married with four children and I work full-time for the Catholic Church. Another piece of advice I ve picked up over the years that has served me well both professionally and personally is this: when the horse you re riding on dies, get off. When we re talking about how
10 71 the Church is going to pay for its expenses, you and I have to convince those Catholics who are no longer sitting in our pews that the horse we re riding on isn t dead. If we can t do that, we re always going to struggle with the ability to pay for anything. I believe around 40 percent of the parishes in this country operate in the red every single year. They would consider our conversation today totally irrelevant because they struggle just to pay their bills, never mind how to afford the very best. But I desperately believe that the horse we re riding on is a filly that can win the Preakness. While that might be a shock to many, I believe it can be done, and is being done in many of our parishes across the country. Whenever I m preparing for a talk or working on a project, I pray to the Holy Spirit for a scripture I can use as kind of a mantra. Let me share with you the scripture I came up with on this project. It comes from Joel, Chapter 3: May your daughters and sons prophesy, your young dream dreams, and your old see visions. If we re going to examine how we pay for our expenses, we have to get to the level of being able to prophesy, to dream dreams and, certainly, to enable our old to see visions.... we as a Church have to call forth and recruit the very best people out there. I also want to affirm Tom Tierney s idea that our best resource is the talent and the energy of the people who work for the Church. I believe the corollary is that we as a Church have to call forth and recruit the very best people out there. Then we have to consider the fact that we re talking about many different levels, given the nature and culture of our organization. If I m a parish minister, for example, I also better be an enabler and an animator for those who want to volunteer.... we are faced with a fundamental question as a Church: Are we ready to commit to the very best lay ecclesial ministers at the same level we ve historically committed to the religious and the ordained? We indeed want to draw forth the very best people including secretaries and administrative staff who wish to share their time and talents with the Church. And that certainly includes those who fit into the category of lay ecclesial ministry. Let s not dream that our parishes are going to be better off just because we have a lot of paid people working there. That would be doing everyone a disservice.
11 72 When we consider the question of how are we going to pay for this, we have to decide if we re going to be part of a paradigm shift an educational shift involving parishioners. In this regard, conversations with people in the pews can often be disheartening because they have little or no knowledge of how a parish operates. And if they don t understand how that structure works, they can t dream the kind of dreams that would inspire them to help pay for improvements in our Church. Thus, we are faced with a fundamental question as a Church: Are we ready to commit to the very best lay ecclesial ministers at the same level we ve historically committed to the religious and the ordained? In the past, we ve always figured out how to pay for them. Let me draw on my own experience to illustrate the point. I was a communication studies major at a state college when I was 18 and 19 years old. It was the parishioners of the parish where I was doing volunteer music ministry who called me forth initially. The pastor then called me forth all the way through a graduate degree in Church ministry. That s how I started out. Are we willing to undertake a paradigm shift and invest in the best and brightest in terms of wages for lay ecclesial ministry? So, we ve figured out ways as a Church to pay for this kind of vocational expense (education) in the past. The question now is, Are we willing to undertake a paradigm shift and invest in the best and brightest in terms of wages for lay ecclesial ministry? If we are willing, then the issue becomes, how do we pay for it? In the spirit of Joel, Chapter Three, let me rattle off a couple of things I think are important. The first is that we have to look at benefits. Another personal example: there are five dioceses in New Jersey, and it takes three hours to drive from one end of the state to the other. Yet each of those five dioceses has a different benefit plan, different healthcare providers, different pension plans. When you re moving from one diocese to the other, as I just did, it s a nightmare. I had no idea the change was going to be so extreme. Housing must also be an important part of any discussion of compensation. I had 21 people reporting to me for the years I was pastoral administrator, and the biggest variable when comparing income from one part of the state to the next was housing costs. Actually, the Church figured out that problem a long time ago. When priests or nuns joined a parish, it didn t want to have to pay them what it would take to live in areas that can include some pretty expensive real estate. That s why within the borders of the parish are rectories and convents. But how are we going to house the lay ecclesial minister? Last time I checked, lenders will only give you a mortgage for twice your income, or maybe slightly more depending on where you go. Looking at the salary numbers we saw today, tell me how people can afford to live in most areas of New Jersey on that kind of pay? You re not going to find the very best and the brightest under those conditions.
12 73 I ve been saddened over the last 10 years to see parish after parish sell convent and religious brothers residences, as if trying to attract the very best was not even an issue. We did it to pay for other things. But if we had stayed focused on the need for topflight talent, we would have said, You know what, there s going to be new talent coming along that we should be offering that housing to. That would help solve the salary problem because for most of us, affordable housing is the biggest expense. I believe we certainly need to look into this situation. Another item worthy of consideration is what we refer to as premium services. Let me preface my remarks by saying I know no one in the Church likes to hear this term. But the fact is, premium services even in the Church increase revenues. And they increase it across the board. When people are being serviced at a high level, they re willing to pay a higher level for that service. We can say, that s not right, it should change. But as my grandmother used to say, It is what it is. I think we need to be attuned to those areas of the parish that have a vested interest in a premium service. When I heard from someone in the choir or in youth ministry, for example, that they needed better, then better always had a way of finding our doorstep. What do I mean by that? When someone told me they needed more and better in a particular area, I would go to them and ask if they were willing to pay for it. And every single time, those people said, Absolutely. I ll get other people who I know feel this is important, and we ll close that budget gap. My experience has been that most parishes look at the difference between cost and budget and say, Isn t it a shame we can t afford that person. And they let them walk out the door. What they should be asking is, How can we make this happen? Here s an example. Our parish wanted a new choir director because people were always complaining about the music. I found a really talented person, but there was a pretty significant gap between what they were asking for and our budget. So I had a meeting with the choir and said, How badly do you want the best and the brightest music director? And you know what? The choir on their own made pledges to close the gap. We did indeed hire the best and the brightest choir director and, more importantly, we found a way to pay for him. Now, our only problem is figuring out where to put people on Sunday mornings because we have standing room only turnouts. My experience has been that most parishes look at the difference between cost and budget and say, Isn t it a shame we can t afford that person. And they let them walk out the door. What they should be asking is, How can we make this happen? Clearly, it can happen when people have the passion and the determination to make their Church better.
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