1 WORKERS' COMPENSATION COMMISSION AND COMPENSATION COURT OF NEW SOUTH WALES REUNION DINNER 2008 THE UNION, UNIVERSITIES & SCHOOLS CLUB, SYDNEY THURSDAY 13 MARCH 2008 THINGS WE SHARE IN COMMON * The Hon Justice Michael Kirby AC CMG ** Justice Michael Kirby, Ms Anna Katzmann SC, Mr J Poulos QC, Judge John O Meally AM * ** Text on which was based an address to a dinner to celebrate the Compensation Court of New South Wales. Justice of the High Court of Australia.
2 2. ACKNOWLEDGMENTS AND RESPECTS I begin with words of respect for the three heads of jurisdiction who are at this occasion. I start with his Honour Frank McGrath AM, OBE. He is a link with the Workers' Compensation Commission of New South Wales, created by the Workers' Compensation Act 1926 (NSW). Indeed, he was the last Chairman of that Commission, having been appointed a Member on 2 May 1966 and elevated to Chairman on 3 September Subsequently, on the creation of the Compensation Court of New South Wales by the Compensation Court Act 1984 (NSW), he became the first Chief Judge of the Compensation Court. All of the Judges of the old Commission became Judges of the new Court. In this respect, the New South Wales Parliament avoided the sorry spectacle that unfolded when the compensation tribunals in Victoria and Western Australia were abolished and their jurisdiction absorbed by the general courts 1. I have known Frank McGrath all of my professional life. I 'briefed' him as a barrister in my first days as an articled clerk. He was always a serious and careful advocate. He was equally at home before juries or 1 Cf Attorney-General (NSW) v Quin (1990) 170 CLR 1; Macrae v Attorney-General (NSW) (1987) 9 NSWLR 268; A Twomey, The Constitution of New South Wales (Federation, 2004),
3 3. in front of Judges of the Commission. He appeared in all courts, including the High Court. Mind you, arising from our early relationship, he never ceased to correct me where he felt my performance fell below his own exceptionally high standards. Before him, in court, I always had to be specially good. He was a just and accurate Judge and is one of my mentors. I pay my respects to him. Also at the table is the Honourable Michael Campbell QC. He too was a member of the Commission who became a Judge of the new Compensation Court. At the Bar, I had many a case on the opposite side of the record. On those days, I knew that I had to be on my toes. He served as a Judge of the Compensation Court from 1984 to 1986 before his well deserved elevation to the Supreme Court of New South Wales. We sat together many times in the Court of Criminal Appeal and rarely, if ever, disagreed. He too was serious and devoted in his performance of duties. His dedication to workers' compensation law was demonstrated in 1994 when he accepted appointment as Chief Judge of the Compensation Court in succession to Judge McGrath. He returned to that court in that capacity and served there as Chief Judge until 2003, although the duties gradually diminished as that court, in its turn, saw its jurisdiction transferred to a revived Workers Compensation Commission - but one of a different character.
4 4. For Michael Campbell's life-long devotion to law, and specifically workers' compensation law, he deserves our praise and thanks. I offer my respects to him. Justice Terry Sheahan, the first President of the revived Commission following the Workplace Injury Management and Workers' Compensation Act 1998 (NSW), cannot be here. However, his successor, Judge Gregory Keating is. Decades ago, when I was at the Bar, I received many a brief from him and his firm, and later my brother Donald Kirby was in partnership with him. I recall the extremely high standard of diligence and attention to detail of those briefs. So I know of Judge Keating's undoubted legal skills and his concern for the injured and their dependants. In fact, his lifetime has been dedicated to those ends. In this company, I want to add a particular tribute to another of Judge Keating s former partners, Michael Ryan. He was an excellent solicitor: loyal to his clients, second to none in his devotion to their causes. It is a pity that Michael Ryan cannot be with us. If he were here, he would share in the respect and affection of his colleagues here present, including me. As Judge Keating looks around this room and sees many friends, colleagues and erstwhile competitors and opponents, he will realise, I am sure, the strong bond of professionalism that links all of us. It is a
5 5. bond that shaped his life as it did ours. Sitting there, with the predecessors who join him to the Compensation Court and the Workers' Compensation Commission, I feel confident that (so far as the new legislation allows) he will be resolved to tap the skills, dedication and concern for the injured that is found in this company. Clearly, in his present office, he is a successor to judges of very considerable ability. It is an honourable tradition. We do well to remember it and to draw strength from it. A SENTIMENTAL JOURNEY I began this day in my Sydney chambers working on a taxation case concerned with the concept of "sham" in Australian revenue law. Believe it or not, it was hard to drag myself away from a subject of such fascination. Especially so when reading the contrast between the majority approach to the concept of "sham" and the minority approach espoused by Justice Lionel Murphy in Federal Commissioner of Taxation v Westraders Pty Ltd 2. Perhaps Lionel Murphy expressed his different, robust and forthright approach because he too had received his early training as a legal practitioner, appearing before the Workers' Compensation Commission. On the whole, it is an experience that tended to bring even the most erudite and brilliant lawyer down to earth. 2 Commissioner of Taxation v Westraders Pty Ltd (1980) 144 CLR 55 at 79.
6 6. Then I thought of this occasion and of you present. So I decided to take a walk from my chambers in the High Court of Australia back to my origins. Physically, it was not a great distance. Yet in the nature of a life, now lived mostly in Canberra, it is some time since I have walked in the area of Sydney where I spent my earliest days in the law in , fifty years ago. My journey took me first to O'Connell Street. I was in search of number 26, although I well knew that the modest, turn of the century building in which was found the office where I served my articles of clerkship, had long since fallen to the developer's hammer. Number 26 O Connell Street is now Kindersley House. There is a stone remnant of an earlier building which I did not recognise. Perhaps it was the façade through which I entered that summer morning in January 1959 when I began work for my master solicitor, Mr Raymon Burke, later himself a Judge of the Commission and the Court. Kindersley House is a strange building. In fact, it seems to contain little more than escalators moving up and down. I wondered if they were created in the spirit of Fiddler on the Roof - staircases leading nowhere just for show. It was no particular surprise to see, displayed on the wall of this replacement building, a fresh development proposal. It announced that Kindersley House was itself soon to be demolished. The memories of the old 26 O Connell Street will slip still further back, until there is virtually no one at all who can recall that edifice.
7 7. Opposite, in O'Connell Street, is the erstwhile John Fairfax building where the Sydney Morning Herald used to leap off the presses. No hints of all that activity in the staid elegance of the five-star hotel that has taken its place. Nothing even to remind us of the bank that had assumed occupation by 1959 when I stared across O'Connell Street. Only the faded legend "Bank of New South Wales" is still visible above the façade. The fine old building opposite 26, where Windeyer Dive and Co and other firms housed ancient lawyers from another world, has also disappeared. I looked up the street to the north where Hickson Lakeman and Holcombe (HLH) once occupied part of No 3 O'Connell Street. It was there, following my graduation in law, that I received my first employment as a solicitor from Bruce Holcombe. He was a clever man. But he hated the Bar. That antipathy was my opportunity. He was ahead of his time in believing in in-house counsel. He wanted me to do the advocacy before the Commission and in other courts. It was an opportunity I embraced with enthusiasm. I was urged on by Jack Perram of Manufactures' Mutual Insurance Ltd. The Head Office of MMI was also in O'Connell Street. Now none of these buildings remain. So I set out, as I did so many busy mornings, to walk up Hunter Street towards the building where the old Commission was housed. On the right, the ugly 1960s façade of what was the ANZ Bank Head Office, still remains. Prudently, the bank itself has taken off its logo and
8 8. attached it, instead, to the former Qantas building. The 'new' building that once housed HLH at 42 Hunter Street has also disappeared. That was where that firm moved when the old offices from O'Connell and Castlereagh Streets came together. Many a puzzling problem of insurance law I tacked in that building in Hunter Street as a young solicitor between 1962 and I had, you see, crossed over to the 'dark side'. Now that parade of injured workers and other claimants sent up by the Labour Council to MA Simon & Co were 'the enemy'. Yet many a time I advised my insurers that a claim could be refused. In those days, the insurers (mostly of British origin) played a straight bat. Often they would thank me for my advice and proceed to pay the claim anyway. On and up Hunter Street I pressed, as we all did in those faraway days. My goal was the corner of Bligh Street. That was where the Commission was then located. In the middle of Richard Johnson Square stands the memorial to the man who conducted the first Christian service in the colony in The plinth bears the words of the text chosen by that dutiful Anglican parson. It is a verse from the Psalms. It seemed strangely apt for most of the workers who emerged from the hearings in the Commission: "What shall I render unto the Lord for all his benefits toward me?" 3. 3 Psalm 116, 12.
9 9. The City Mutual Building is approached by very steep steps, not specially suitable for the injured workers and ancient practitioners who climbed them every morning at 9.30 a.m. They are carved out of the black marble entrance over which can be found a collection of human images, huddling together under a cloak. The frieze is named Flight from Pompeii. It was chosen as the symbol of City Mutual, presumably because, like a good insurer, it threw its cloak over the needy. The CML building, in the art-deco style, was completed in A plaque proudly declares that the architect was Emil Sudersteen. It was created in the manner of the New York skyscrapers of that era. It has unusual windows and displays a fading elegance. A photograph of what it was like when built appears in the vestibule. I stared for a time into the gloom of the ground floor trading hall, now completely deserted. It comprises a collection of marble coated columns. Such a space is not easily let. The lifts of the building have been modernised. So I returned to level 9 where once the administrative and registry offices were housed and the Chairman's Court (in my day of Judge Conybeare) was found. All that survives is the unused letter chute. Nothing beside remains. The tiny barristers' robing room is gone. There is no courtroom, of course. Crowded offices. No hint of the bustling crowd of litigants and the brilliant legal personalities who trod the stage when I began my journey in the law.
10 10. I returned to Hunter Street and left the MLC building a little disconsolate. I would not walk down to Citra House in Macquarie Street where the Compensation Court was housed for so many years. At least that edifice is still safely there. The truly nostalgic can recapture the marvellous views down the harbour to the Sydney Heads if they attend a function at the American Club. All of the other externalities of the Commission and the Court are gone. And so too are most of the people who engaged in battles in compensation cases twenty, thirty, forty and fifty years before. As I walked back to my Sydney chambers in Queen's Square, my thoughts were on those people. Buildings may be unremembered when they disappear. But the vivid memories of people live on. OUR PREDECESSORS My first visit to the Compensation Commission was on the day that I began my articles with Ray Burke. At the age of 19, I could not believe my good fortune to have a job that took me every day into the drama of contested litigation. In my very first case, there were two insurers. Each, alas, had films that piled ascending disaster on my client. One insurer was represented by Adrian Cook (later a Judge of the Family Court of Australia); the other by Gordon Samuels (later my colleague in the Court of Appeal and later still, the Governor of the State). Samuels had a singularly irritating habit of rattling the coins and
11 11. keys in his pocket as he mercilessly cross-examined the applicant. For me, it was a baptism of fire. What a way to begin a life in the courts. Charity forbids me to mention the unfortunate barrister who that day carried the brief for the worker. That case was heard before Judge Rainbow. He was a clever, quick and commonsensical man. But he was bored with the law. Judge Conybeare, as Chairman, was meticulous, punctilious and dutiful. Early in my career, he paid me a tribute which I have always remembered. He said that Hal Sterling (later a Supreme Court Judge) and I were the most promising juniors he had seen for a long time. He himself had enjoyed a good practice at the Bar. He was, I believe, Frank Kitto KC's junior in the Joshua Smith case before Justice David Roper. He set high standards. Pity help the lawyer who did not attain them. Judge Dignam, although always personally kind to me, annoyed many by his one line rejections of claims for compensation. Later, in the Court of Appeal, I was to join in many decisions insisting that proper reasons should always be given for important judicial determinations 4. The fourth Judge in 1959 was Colman Wall. He had one of the best judicial temperaments I have ever seen. I can still recall him sitting 4 Eg Soulemezis v Dudley (Holdings) Pty Ltd (1987) 10 NSWLR 247; Apps v Pilet (1987) 11 NSWLR 350; Palmer v Clarke (1989) 19 NSWLR 158; Yates Property Pty Ltd v Darling Harbour Authority (1992) 24 NSWLR 156.
12 12. in the dining room of a hotel in Broken Hill with his staff and a court reporter on circuit. In those days, judges were remote, revered figures. Judge Wall was one who deserved that respect. He was a sensible and compassionate judge. That is, unless an applicant was caught out in a lie - after which the case was doomed. The big players at the Bar when I arrived were Frank McAlary, Horace Millar, Tony Harrington, Neville Wran, Barrie Thorley, Reg Downing, Jim Baldock, Tony Collins, Jack Slattery, John Cummins and Les Downs. Later players included Hal Sperling, Alan Abadee, Marcus Einfeld, Cal Calaway, Peter McInerney, Peter Newman, John Brownie and Tim Studdert. A suave and brilliant advocate was Noel Westcott, later a Judge. All of these were talented, hard working, efficient. The solicitors and clerks were also memorable. George Bang, Joan Mulligan, Jean Agnew, Roy Turner, Frank White, Pat Moran (later a Judge), Tim Kelly, Muriel Batten, Kerri Nicholson, Ron Jones, Charles Vandervoord, Leigh Virtue, John Bell, Alan Bishop (also later a Judge), Doug Hawke. The insurers were active players around the place. Jack Perram was always there with fat files and the prospects of slimmer settlements. So was Max Hungerford, arguing the cases for the GIO. Every now and again the big guns were wheeled out. Greg Sullivan QC (later Solicitor-General), Cedric Cahill QC, Clive Evatt QC,
13 13. Jim Staunton QC, Tony Larkins QC, with monocle at the ready, Marcel Pile QC, Mick Boulter QC, who wrote the textbook, and the biggest gun of all, Eric Miller QC. For those who practised in the Commission and the Court every one of these names will conjure up a host of memories and stories. All of them were respected colleagues. Sadly, few are still in practice. Many have passed over. The Bench of the Commission in its last year in 1984 comprised Frank McGrath who was appointed the first Chief Judge as from 3 December The others who came from the Commission to the Court were (in order of seniority) John Williams QC, Bill Gibson, Noel Westcott, Michael Campbell QC, Kevin Coleman, John O'Meally, Brian Moroney, David Freeman, Geoff Herkes, William Thompson, Bob Mancer and Ray Burke. Of these, only John O'Meally is still on the Bench, performing outstanding judicial service. If he lasts the distance, he will doubtless inherit from me the mantle of the longest serving judicial officer in the nation. By the end of 1984, I was President of the Court of Appeal of New South Wales. The Chief Justice of the State was Sir Laurence Street. The High Court Justices were Gibbs CJ, Mason, Murphy, Wilson, Brennan, Deane and Dawson. The Chief Judge of the District Court was James Staunton QC. The Chief Magistrate was Clarrie Briese, soon to have his encounter in a sensational trial involving Lionel Murphy. The
14 14. President of the Bar was A M Gleeson QC, with an eventful career ahead of him. The President of the Law Society was Don McLachlan, himself a frequent participant in compensation cases. The Compensation Court had come about as a result of the decision of the State Government and Parliament to separate the administrative and insurance responsibilities that had been discharged by the Members of the Commission and to create a State Compensation Board to perform the latter functions. This was the beginning of the end of compensation entitlements as they had been known during the fiftynine years that the original Workers' Compensation Commission existed. During that time, the Members of the Commission were encouraged by their administrative responsibilities to see rights to compensation as part of the overall economic cost of industry. The insurance rates were fixed with this in mind. The separation of the judicial and administrative functions reflected good reasons of principle that were explained by the Minister 5. However, the removal of the premium responsibility from the judges ended an era that had worked pretty well. Soon after the creation of the Compensation Court, a comprehensive new statute was passed by the State Parliament. The Workers Compensation Act 1989 (NSW) came 5 New South Wales Parliamentary Debates (Legislative Assembly), 2 May 1984, 82 (Debate on Compensation Court Bill [No 2], 1984) (NSW).
15 15. into force. The original Act had been debated at the very time that Governor Admiral de Chair was unveiling the plinth opposite the site of what became the City Mutual Building. The 1926 Act was full of idealism 6. However, the 1987 legislation was the product of costs and politics. Mr Pat Hills, the Minister for Industrial Relations and Minister for Employment, justifying the new law, explained that it was necessary to reduce the litigious nature of dispute settlement in workers compensation cases. It was to this that he ascribed "the cost escalation that payments increased from $349 million to $838 million in the period , an increase of 140% with similar increases predicted over succeeding years so as to almost double in four years" 7. Interstate competitiveness and electoral imperatives propelled the Labor Government into action. The saga did not finish there. In 1998 a later Labor Government introduced what became the Workplace Injury Management and Workers Compensation Act 1998 (NSW) 8. This aimed at promoting fresh attention to accident prevention. Once again, a Workers Compensation Commission emerged. The right to a full hearing of New South Wales Parliamentary Debates (Legislative Assembly) November 1925, (Debate on Workers Compensation Bill, 1925 (NSW)). See ibid New South Wales Parliamentary Debates (Legislative Assembly) 14 May 1987, New South Wales Parliamentary Debates, (Legislative Council), 26 June 1998, 6706 (Debate on Workplace Injury Management and Workers Compensation Bill 1998 (NSW)).
16 16. cases before a specialised court of compensation judges came gradually to a close. Justice Sheahan was appointed the President of the new Commission and his successor, appointed in December 2007, was Judge Greg Keating. It became necessary once again to re-deploy the judges of the workers' compensation tribunal in New South Wales. Guaranteed constitutional protection of their offices, those who wished to do so were transferred, with full seniority, to serve in the District Court of New South Wales. The judges of the Compensation Court at the end of its operations were the Hon Michael Campbell QC, John O'Meally, Margaret O'Toole, Peter Johns, Brian Duck, Chris Geraghty, Brian Maguire QC, Alan Bishop, Dianne Truss, Garry Neilson, Christopher Armitage, James Curtis, Anne Quirk, the Hon Frank Walker QC, Linda Ashford and Allan Hughes. There were four Acting Judges at the time, John Bagnall, Ray Burke, Lorna McFee and Michael McGrowdie. Michael Campbell returned to the Supreme Court. The treatment of John Bagnall, an old colleague of mine from HLH, was less than edifying. Sadly, it is a story that brings little credit on successive Ministries of the State. It shows one of the dangers that lurk in court systems dependent on acting judges 9. 9 Australian Securities and Investments Commission v Forge (2006) 228 CLR 45 at 116 .
17 17. Of the sixteen permanent judges of the Compensation Court of New South Wales half became judges of the District Court. Many of those are still in harness. THINGS IN COMMON What is that has bound together the practitioners, young and old, who have joined in this celebration? Is it purely nostalgia - the remembrance of times past? Is it a shared resentment at the termination of independent courts? Is it anger at the end of a fruitful source of income for lawyers that lasted seventy years? I suggest that it is more than these considerations, though doubtless they are feelings shared by some participants. Something else has brought us to this occasion to remember the past, including its good features. No doubt there were wrongs and inefficiencies. But there were also strengths in a community of lawyers who worked before the independent Commission and Court that administered workers' compensation law in New South Wales. We can remember those strengths. They are as important for the legal profession today as they were in the heyday of the Compensation Commission and the Court. 1. Honesty and fidelity: First, there was a bond of honesty and fidelity. We knew each other. We knew that, given the word of another, it would be kept, without question. Very few would ever break their word
18 18. or act discreditably. This is a feature of small group guilds. If anyone broke the rules of integrity and honesty in dealings, it would never be forgotten, or forgiven. In my experience it happened once. I still remember. It was very rare. Many dealings were by purely word of mouth. Promises were faithfully kept. Perhaps this cannot be guaranteed where a group expands in size into anonymity. But it was constantly a feature of the old days that we knew. It was, in short, a precious feature of professionalism, operating at its best. Trust. Fidelity. Mutuality. 2. Attention to detail: Secondly, we all quickly learned that most cases are won on the facts. Not, for the most part, esoteric law. The evidence. Getting on top of the facts was our daily duty. Mastering the file and the brief was our invariable challenge. Those who always knew the detail sometimes won the unwinnable. Absorbing the detail was a great training that a practice in workers' compensation cases gave to its participants. I always thought that one of the reasons why Neville Wran and Lionel Murphy were such highly successful politicians was that they were both masters of the brief. As a young barrister, my duty was to arrive at 4.30 a.m. and to make tea for Neville Wran. He always wanted to get on top of the file. Later, this was to serve him well in Parliament and as Premier of New South Wales. It meant that he could never be 'snowed'. Throughout my life, it has been a lesson I have applied to every case. Perhaps it is why, when I am
19 19. asked to identify my most interesting case, it is usually the most recent one. 3. Skill with statutes: Thirdly, we learned, before most other Australian legal practitioners, the importance of statutory interpretation as the central function of the modern lawyer's craft. For the past decade, the High Court has been telling the lawyers of Australia that, where statute has entered a field of law, it is the duty of lawyers to begin their lawyering with the text of the enactment. Not past enactments. Not judicial dicta. The legislative words 10. Harvard Law School, which, in the nineteenth century pioneered the case book method of instruction (involving close attention to judicial expositions of law), has lately replaced this with courses in statutory interpretation. Australian law schools must do likewise. We were there first. We learned the importance of unravelling the words of the 1926 (and later 1987) Acts. Even well-worn words could sometimes yield new and surprising meanings. Occasionally, we had to admit, it was useful for outsiders to look at the statutory text, so as to disclose fresh insights 11. Living with statutory law comes naturally to those raised in the field of workers' compensation law Central Bayside Medical Practice v State Revenue (Vic) (2006) 228 CLR 168 at -, fn . Scobie v KD Welding Co Pty Ltd (1959) 103 CLR 314 is a good example.
20 Orality: A fourth lesson we learned was the importance of orality. We now live in an age in which an increasing proportion of persuasion has switched to written submissions. But in the Commission, and later the Court, we had to express our arguments orally. Every day. Spoken words. Oral persuasion. Within days of beginning at 26 O'Connell Street, I was on my feet, as a young articled clerk, seeking leave to mention matters; to adjourn hearings; to secure orders by consent. Nothing like that training in oral advocacy. A strength of the old tribunals was their adherence to the open public oral trial, which is the high tradition of the common law. This mode of legal procedure placed discipline on all of its participants, including the judges. It was a protection that encouraged the attainment of manifest justice. Now, young advocates must learn the skills of written persuasion. But oral argument remains at the heart s core of an advocate's talent. That core will never leave those who were trained in the oral traditions of workers' compensation hearings. 5. Efficiency: Fifthly, we learned efficiency. I have often said that I could not think of a better preparation for judicial duties on special leave days in the High Court of Australia than a typical day when I began my appearances in the Workers' Compensation Commission. It was not uncommon to be required to hold four or five or six cases in one's head -
21 21. their different and sometimes similar features competing for recollection, presentation and analysis. On a special leave day I must now commonly carry six or seven or up to twelve cases, neatly assembled for examination and decision. We learned efficiency in the despatch of many hearings. Juggling cases (and also witnesses, opponents and courts) is a talent essential to the life of busy advocates and judges. It is true that, sometimes, lawyers were known to take on more briefs or files than they could perform properly. But I suggest that this was much less common than some critics contend. Judges showed stern disapproval if lawyers were under-prepared or absent when the case was called. Highly expert practitioners could perform their cases with great efficiency. Moreover, they soon acquired a sure knowledge of the settlement value of claims, without which court litigation would break down or be forced to hearing procedures in other places outside the independent courts. Looking back, it is amazing how smoothly and efficiently the cases were handled. Time management is one of the most important lessons that any legal practitioner can learn. The Compensation Commission and Court were jurisdictions in which such talents were always at a premium. 6. Friendships: Sixthly, we learned the value of friendships in our profession. Strangely enough, such friendships were often with opponents rather than with those who typically appeared on the same
22 22. side. It was opponents with whom we had to deal and whom we came to know and trust. The surest evidence of abiding friendships can be seen in the large attendance at this occasion - so many years on and where it is only the thread of friendship that holds most of us in connection. I applaud the fact that this reunion is being filmed, so as to capture the images of this microcosm of the legal profession in Sydney. I have tried to persuade Chief Justice Spigelman, who has introduced an annual dinner for the judges of the Supreme Court of New South Wales, to film the occasion. Those who do not preserve the history of institutions pay the price that the history is soon erased. It is good to record the names and memories and now the faces of those who sharpened their legal skills in the high volume world of compensation litigation. But for the impetus of shared friendships, we would not be at this reunion. In life's journey, trusted friends are precious. 7. Human respect: There is a seventh consideration. It was mentioned by Judge O'Meally in his remarks. Of their nature, compensation claims take their practitioners close to the human condition. On whichever side of the record, the lawyer is dealing with human beings, not merely impersonal corporations or governments. In acting for a worker applicant (or the worker's dependants) the lawyer would soon learn the vital importance of the case to the lives and future happiness of those clients. Their cases are never calculated purely as investments or risks, as much commercial or public litigation is.
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