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1 FILE NO WORLD TRADE CENTER TASK FORCE INTERVIEW LIEUTENANT ROBERT BOHACK INTERVIEW DATE JANUARY 2002 TRANSCRIBED BY LAURIE COLLINS

2 CHIEF CONGIUSTA TODAY IS JANUARY 9TH 2002 THE TIME IS 1100 HOURS THIS IS BATTALION CHIEF FRANK CONGIUSTA OF THE SAFETY DIVISION OF THE NEW YORK CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT IM CONDUCTING AN INTERVIEW WITH THE FOLLOWING INDIVIDUAL LIEUTENANT BOHACK LIEUTENANT ROBERT BOHACK ENGINE CHIEF CONGIUSTA OF THE NEW YORK CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT AT THE QUARTERS OF ENGINE REGARDING THE EVENTS OF SEPTEMBER 11TH 2001 OKAY LIEUTENANT GO AHEAD WE HAD BOX AT APPROXIMATELY 840 AT GRAMERCY PARK THE AVAILABLE WAS GIVEN WE WERE PICKING UP AND HEARD OVER THE RADIO THAT PLANE HAD HIT THE TRADE CENTER WE WERE DISPATCHED RIGHT AWAY BELIEVE FOURTH DUE ON THE SECOND ALARM WE PROCEEDED WESTBOUND ON 14TH STREET THEN MADE LEFT HEADING SOUTH ON WEST STREET COULD SEE THE TOWER CLEARLY FROM THAT VANTAGE POINT THERE WAS HUGE HOLE IN THE TOWER FIGURED ABOUT 85 FLOORS UP IT WAS ABOUT FOUR OR

3 FIVE STORIES WIDE TRIANGULAR SHAPED AND SMOKE WAS RIPPING OUT UNDER HEAVY PRESSURE COULD SEE FLAMES AND COULD SEE SMOKE STARTING TO RIP OUT OF THE TOP FLOORS WE PROCEEDED SOUTHBOUND THE TRAFFIC WAS GETTING HEAVY WE MOVED OVER INTO THE NORTHBOUND LANE AND THEN WE PROCEEDED SOUTH WE STOPPED THE RIG APPROXIMATELY ONE BLOCK NORTH OF THE NORTH TOWER ON THE NORTHBOUND SIDE OF WEST STREET FACING SOUTH GOT OUT OF THE RIG HAD FIVE MAN ENGINE COMPANY TOOK MY CHAUFFEUR WITH ME DIDNT THINK WE WERE GOING TO HOOK UP TO ANYTHING WE WERE TOO FAR AWAY AND PROCEEDED TO THE LOBBY OF ONE WORLD TOWER THE NORTH TOWER OKAY WE REPORTED TO BELIEVE CHIEF PFEIFER AND BELIEVE CHIEF HAYDEN WAS THERE TOO AS WELL AS COMMISSIONER VON ESSEN WE WERE TOLD TO TEAM UP WITH ENGINE 10 WITH OUR ROLLUPS AND ALL OUR MASKS AND EXTRA BOTTLES AND PROCEED TO THE 79TH FLOOR AND OPERATE WE STARTED GOING UP THE STAIRS AS

4 TEAM THERE WAS LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE COMING DOWN THE STAIRWAYS IT WAS LITTLE NARROW THERE WAS ONLY ROOM FOR TWO PEOPLE WIDE IT WAS SLOW GOING UP WE STOPPED ON THE 13TH FLOOR FOR ABOUT TWO MINUTES BECAUSE THERE WERE TOO MANY PEOPLE COMING DOWN WE WERE WITH 10 ENGINE WE TOOK TWO MINUTE BREAK AND THEN WENT UP TO THE 19TH FLOOR WHERE ONE OF MY GUYS DEREK BROGAN HE WAS COMPLAINING OF BAD CHEST PAINS EVEN THOUGH HES YOUNG GUY HE LOOKED OKAY HE WAS HEAVY SMOKER SO WE DECIDED TO STOP HE WAS SWEATING LOT SO WE STOPPED ON CXV THE 19TH FLOOR WE GOT SOME WATER AND POURED CX WATER OVER OUR HEADS WE TOOK OUR GEAR OFF FOR FEW MINUTES MONITORED HIM IN ABOUT 10 OR 15 MINUTES HE SAID HE WAS OKAY

5 CALLED HIM ON THE RADIO HE DIDNT HAVE RADIO WAS HOPING THAT MAYBE HE WAS NEXT TO SOMEBODY HE WASNT ANSWERING THERE WAS SO MUCH RADIO TRAFFIC ANYWAY YOU COULDNT GET WORD IN EDGE WISE TOO MANY MAYDAYS FOR CHEST PAINS SO WE STOPPED ON THE 19TH FLOOR HE SAID HE FELT BETTER AFTER ABOUT 15 MINUTES WE GOT OUR GEAR UP AGAIN STARTED TO PROCEED UP THE STAIRS STAIRWAY BELIEVE UNTIL THE 33RD FLOOR THEN HE WAS REALLY SWEATING AND SAID THE CHEST PAINS WERE SHOOTING DOWN HIS ARM SO THATS WHEN MADE DECISION THATS IT WE PUT OUR GEAR DOWN CALLED FOR OXYGEN WITHIN TWO MINUTES TWO PORT AUTHORITY ESU COPS CAME WITH AN OXYGEN RESUSCITATOR THEY WERE THERE QUICK WAS AMAZED COUPLE

6 FIREMEN THINK ONE WAS FROM TRUCK FORGET HIS NAME HE WAS THERE TAKING BREAK ALL THE FAT GUYS WERE TAKING BREAK ON THE LOWER FLOORS ME INCLUDED YOU KNOW WE GAVE HIM OXYGEN ANOTHER FIREMAN WHO WAS THERE HE WAS NURSE HE LOOKED AT HIM AND SAID LOU DONT THINK HES HAVING HEART ATTACK HIS SKIN IS GOOD HIS PULSE IS GOOD THINK ITS SOMETHING ELSE SAID ALL RIGHT WELL JUST HANG OUT AND LET HIM REST TWO PORT AUTHORITY COPS WERE WITH US AFTER COUPLE MINUTES HE SAID HE FELT BETTER IT WAS PROBABLY TEN MINUTES LATER SAID ALL RIGHT THE THING WERE GOING TO DO WANT YOU IN AN AMBULANCE YOURE DONE FOR THE DAY SO ONE OF THE GUYS THAT WAS THERE THINK IT WAS THE GUY FROM TRUCK SAID LOU IM GOING DOWN ILL TAKE HIM DOWN SAID NO WANT TO STAY TOGETHER WAS ALREADY MISSING MANNY DONT WANT TO WORRY WHERE HE IS SAID WERE GOING TO DOWN TOGETHER WELL DROP OFF OUR GEAR GO DOWN PUT HIM IN AN AMBULANCE WHEN KNOW HES ON HIS WAY WELL COME BACK UP

7 SO WE LEFT OUR STUFF DOWN TOOLS KEPT OUR MASKS ON HAD MY LIGHT WE BEGAN WITH THE PORT AUTHORITY COPS TO COME DOWN THE STAIRS AS SOON AS WE GOT INTO THE STAIRWAY THE BUILDING STARTED SHAKING LIKE AN EARTHQUAKE THOUGHT OUR BUILDING WAS COMING DOWN MY MIND WAS SAYING THERES SOME KIND OF WIND COMPENSATOR UP THERE IN THE UPPER FLOORS BIG HUGE VAT OF CEMENT DID YOU EVER HEAR OF THAT KNOW THE BUILDING MOVED YEAH THERES SOME KIND OF HUGE TON OF WEIGHT UP THERE ITS HUGE VAT FILLED WITH CEMENT AND IT SHIFTS WHEN THE WIND IS BLOWING ONE WAY IT SHIFTS TO THE OTHER WAY WITH THE WIND TO COMPENSATE THOUGHT IF THAT THING SHAKES AND COMES LOOSE FROM ITS SUPPORTS WERE FUCKING DEAD SO THATS WHAT THOUGHT IT WAS THOUGHT OUR BUILDING WAS STARTING TO COLLAPSE SAID LETS GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE NOW WERE OUT OF HERE WE START GOING DOWN WE WENT DOWN THE STAIRS

8 OH BEFORE THAT FOUND OUT THAT THE OTHER BUILDING HAD GOTTEN HIT ONE GUY TOLD ME COUPLE WEEKS AGO THAT IT GOT HIT WHILE WE WERE IN THE LOBBY DIDNT KNOW THAT UNTIL WE WERE ON THE 13TH FLOOR OR LITH FLOOR AND WERE TAKING OUR BREAK LOOKED OUT THE WINDOW AND SAW LIKE 30 FLOORS OF FIRE IN THE OTHER BUILDING IM THINKING THIS GUY IS HAVING CHEST PAINS HAVE REPORT OF MISSILE ATTACK OR OTHER TERRORIST ATTACK 30TH FLOOR THERES FIRE HERE 10TH FLOOR THERES FIRE HERE MISSILES COMING HEART ATTACKS THIS IS RIDICULOUS WERE OUT HERE WE STARTED GOING DOWN THE BUILDING SHOOK SAID THIS ONE IS COMING DOWN LETS GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE DIDNT SEE THE TWO PORT AUTHORITY COPS AFTER THAT HAD FOUR GUYS WITH ME WAS MISSING ONE MEMBER FROM THE GET GO WE STARTED GOING DOWN SAW COUPLE GUYS WHO WERE GOING UP ON THE WAY DOWN KEVIN DONNELLY FROM LADDER ASKED HIM WHAT ARE YOU DOING SAID LETS GET OUT OF HERE WE SAW COUPLE CIVILIANS THAT WERE THERE BUT MOSTLY THE STAIRWAY WAS CLEAR WE

9 CHOSE ANOTHER STAIRWAY WE CHOSE THE STAIRWAY GUESS THATS FACING THE SOUTH TOWER THATS VERY CLOSE TO THERE IT STARTED GETTING DUSTY SHITTY AND DARK THE LIGHTS WENT OUT ABOUT WE WERE MAYBE ON THE 15TH FLOOR THE LIGHTS WENT OUT ON THE 13TH FLOOR WE WERE GOING DOWN THERE WERE STILL FEW CIVILIANS FEW MORE FIREMEN IT WAS DARK ONE OF THE GUYS WHO WAS SHARING HIS MASK WITH CIVILIAN WHO WAS SCARED WE HAD TO HELP HIM DOWN THEN WE GET TO THE THIRD FLOOR AND THE STAIRWAY IS PARTIALLY BLOCKED THEY COULDNT PASS THAT BACK UP THERE WAS MOSTLY FIREMEN FEW CIVILIANS TOLD MY GUYS ILL GO FIND ANOTHER STAIRWAY STAY HERE WALKED TO THE FOURTH FLOOR GO ACROSS ALL THE LIGHTS ARE OUT FIND THE STAIR THAT WE WENT UP STAYED IN THE STAIRWAY YELLED TO MY GUYS LETS GO IVE GOT ANOTHER STAIRWAY IVE GOT ANOTHER STAIRWAY THEY COME ONLY THREE GUYS COME THE CROWD WAS OBVIOUSLY OR PROBABLY

10 10 FROM THE COLLAPSE OF THE OTHER BUILDING THERE WAS DEBRIS FROM THE OTHER BUILDING COMING DOWN AND PUSHING IN BECAUSE WE WERE IN THE STAIRWAY FACING THE SOUTH TOWER SO THAT MUST HAVE PUSHED IN THE OUTSIDE WALL THATS WHAT CAUSED BREACH IN THE DARK INAUDIBLE AND GERRY GORMAN WAS ABLE TO GET PAST ALONG WITH COUPLE GUYS FROM 20 TRUCK DIDNT KNOW IT AT THE TIME WHEN CALLED MY GUYS DIDNT WANT TO LOSE THE STAIRWAY AND GO BACK SO WHEN THEY CAME THREE GUYS CAME NOW IM MISSING TWO GUYS MANNY FROM THE GET GO AND GERRY GORMAN WHO MADE HIS WAY DOWN TO THE STAIRWAY

11 11 WITH THAT AS SOON AS SAID THAT THE BUILDING MADE GROAN LIKE STEEL TWISTING DIDNT HAVE TO TELL THOSE GUYS TWICE WE JUST STARTED MAKING LINE FOR WEST STREET OR THE WESTERN SIDE THE ENTRANCE WE CAME IN WITH THAT WE RAN OUT THE FRONT THERE WAS THINK CHIEFS AIDE SORT OF AS LOOKOUT SAYING COME ON COME ON COME ON WE STOPPED AT THE ENTRANCE AS SOON AS HE WAVED US ON WE GO WE GET TO HIM HE WAS MAYBE 50 YARDS AHEAD OF US IN FRONT OF US ON WEST STREET GET TO HIM AND HE SAYS LOOK AT THE BUILDING LOU THE OTHER ONE COLLAPSED AND THIS ONE IS COLLAPSING HE SHOWED ME ABOUT 20 STORIES UP YOU SEE CRACK IN THE BUILDING LOOK HOLY SHIT THE OTHER BUILDINGS GONE SAID GET THE FUCK TO THE RIG WE RUN TO THE RIG IM WITH TWO OTHER GUYS RICHIE

12 12 CARLETTI AND TOMMY LYNN THEY CAME IN THEIR CARS BEFORE THAT IM DOWN TWO GUYS GORMAN AND MANNY DELVALLE NOW IM BACK UP TO FIVE IVE GOT TWO STRAGGLERS SO WE GET TO THINK EITHER WARREN STREET OR CHAMBERS STREET THINK IT WAS WARREN WE MADE RIGHT ON WARREN GOT OUT WEVE GOT ALL THE DUST AND CRAP ALL OVER US FROM THE OTHER COLLAPSE JUST WANTED TO GET MY BEARINGS STRAIGHT GIVE LITTLE THOUGHT BECAUSE THERE WAS NO COMMAND STRUCTURE THERE WAS NOTHING NOBODY CAN GET ON THE RADIO THE FUCKING RADIO WAS USELESS WE GET OUT MIKE BUTLER CHIEF OF FIRE PREVENTION COMES TO ME AND SAYS LOOK LOU DONT HAVE RADIO MY RADIO IS DEAD CAN HAVE YOURS HERE YOU GO AINT GOING BACK THERE AS SOON AS HE GOT THAT WE WALKED MAYBE HALF BLOCK AND THATS WHEN THE BUILDING PANCAKES DOWN

13 13 THEN THE SMOKE AND THE SHOCK WAVE COMES UP ONE STREET WE RUN WE HIDE BEHIND CUNY YOU KNOW THE COLLEGE THERE THERES LIKE BIG WALL THAT STICKS OUT WE HIDE BEHIND THERE THE SMOKE AND THE DUST AND ALL THE CRAP IS OUTSIDE THE RIG THE RIG WAS STOPPED UP WE GET BACK ON THE RIG AND THE RIG WAS FULL OF DUST TOLD MY CHAUFFEUR JOHN WANT TO MAKE 360 SURVEY TO SEE WHAT THE HELL WEVE GOT DONT KNOW WHAT THE HELL WEVE GOT CANT SEE SHIT DOWN THAT WAY WE GO ALL AROUND TO BROADWAY AND GO UP BROADWAY AND TURN RIGHT AND ITS LIKE FRIGGING WAR ZONE WE GO UP TO ABOUT THAMES STREET AND WE FIND HYDRANT THAT WORKED WE HOOKED UP SAID YOU KNOW WHAT WERE GOING TO HAVE TO RELAY WATER TO SOMEBODY WEVE GOT TO GET WATER ON THIS PLACE ILL GO CHECK IT OUT HE GETS WATER HE ENDS UP RELAYING TO 247 ENGINE FROM BROOKLYN THEY WERE OPERATING WE WALKED UP ALL THE WAY TO CHURCH STREET UP HERE THAMES STREET WE WALKED UP BROADWAY IT SEEMED ABOUT CANT EVEN SEE THESE STREETS LIBERTY CORTLANDT CANT EVEN SEE LIBERTY

14 14 HERE RIGHT HERE BROADWAY AND THAMES OR CEDAR RIGHT AROUND HERE THATS WHERE WE FIND HYDRANT WE PUMPED THIS WAY AND THIS WAY UP THIS WAY WE GO WALKING UP CHURCH AND WE GO TO DEY STREET FOUND ENGINE 252S RIG DESTROYED FOUND 41 ENGINES RIG DESTROYED NO THAT WAS GOOD THAT WAS GOOD FIVE WORLD TRADE THIS BUILDING HERE WAS FULLY INVOLVED YOU DONT REALIZE EVEN THEN WHERE THINGS STOOD SAID LETS GO AND MAYBE PUT OUT THE FIRE THATS WHAT WE DID WE GOT WATER WE HOOKED UP TO THE GRAVITY TANK OF ONE OF THESE BUILDINGS HERE WE WERE GETTING LIKE 80 TO 100 POUNDS INTAKE SO WE STRETCHED LINE AS FAR AS THE TOWER LADDER HERE WE STARTED GETTING WATER ON THE FIRE ON THIS FUCKING BUILDING WAS THAT SEVEN NO SEVEN WAS HERE OKAY INAUDIBLE THAT WASNT ON FIRE RIGHT YEAH THIS WAS ON FIRE THIS ONE WE WERE

15 15 WORRIED ABOUT THIS WE STARTED KNOCKING THIS DOWN WE ENDED UP PUMPING FOR TWO DAYS HEARD THAT THE WATER DEPARTMENT SHUT OFF LOT OF THE MAINS BECAUSE THEY WERE FLOODING THE SUBWAYS THEY PROBABLY WERE THATS BASICALLY IT WE WERENT IN THE BUILDING PROBABLY FROM TILL OH AFTER 10 WE WERE IN THERE FOR WHILE IT TOOK US WHILE TO GET DOWN THE STAIRS TOO IT TOOK US PROBABLY LEFT WHEN THE FIRST BUILDING COLLAPSED AND WE GOT OUT PROBABLY FIVE MINUTES BEFORE THE SECOND BUILDING COLLAPSED INAUDIBLE

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