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1 Elliott-Wave Fibonacci Spread Trading Presented by Ryan Sanden The inevitable disclaimer: Nothing presented constitutes a recommendation to buy or sell any security. While the methods described are believed to be effective in the long run, no guarantee of efficacy is being made. Trading involves risk. I will in no way be responsible for any decisions or trades made as a direct or indirect result of this material. Full understanding of all trading instruments and exchanges is the sole responsibility of the trader. Ryan owns positions in the following related securities discussed herein: SDS

2 Principles of Market Trends Markets move in trends. Movements with the trend are called impulses. Movements against the trend are called corrections. Trends eventually change. correction impulse correction impulse correction impulse Trend is UP 2

3 Principles of Market Trends Trends depend on their time frame. Green = uptrend Red = downtrend 6 Trends 3

4 Principles of Market Trends Trends depend on their time frame. Green = uptrend Red = downtrend 48 Trends 4

5 Principles of Market Trends Trends depend on their time frame. Green = uptrend Red = downtrend 1 Trend 5

6 Principles of Market Trends Trends depend on their time frame. Green = uptrend Red = downtrend Which is correct? They all are. Which you trade is up to you. Planning to trade one trend while acting on movements in another trend is called a trend relativity error. It is one of the most common trading mistakes. 6

7 Principles of Elliott Wave Theory Markets tend to advance in 5 waves, and retrace (correct) in 3 waves. 3 5 B 1 4 A C 2 Larger-degree uptrend (higher time frame trend is up) 7

8 Principles of Elliott Wave Theory Markets tend to advance in 5 waves, and retrace (correct) in 3 waves. 3 5 B 1 4 A C 2 Larger-degree uptrend (higher time frame trend is up) 8

9 Principles of Elliott Wave Theory Markets tend to advance in 5 waves, and retrace (correct) in 3 waves A C 3 5 B Larger-degree downtrend (higher time frame trend is down) 9

10 Principles of Elliott Wave Theory Markets tend to advance in 5 waves, and retrace (correct) in 3 waves A C 3 5 B Larger-degree downtrend (higher time frame trend is down) 10

11 A B C These structures repeat.. That is, they connect together: A B C A B C If I take away the colors and labels.. It really looks like the stock market. Yet, the underlying order is there if you know what to look for.

12 They don t just infinitely repeat. That would be too easy. Really, they combine to make higher degree waves. So, what looks like repetition is really just larger degree waves unfolding v 4 iii b i iv a 2 ii c 2 12

13 i ii iii iv v a b c 1 2 i ii iii iv v a b c 3 4 i ii iii iv v 5 A B C i ii iii iv v a b c i ii iii iv v A B C

14 An Idealized Market 14

15 Major Degree Waves The Big Trend 15

16 Intermediate Degree Waves The Major Moves 16

17 Minor Degree Waves The Daily Wiggles 17

18 Nested Waves. Elliott-Wave map of the market. 18

19 Nested Waves. Elliott-Wave map of the market. Intermediate B of Major 2 Intermediate 1 of Major 1 Minor 4 of Intermediate 3 of Major 1 Minor A of intermediate 2 of Major 1 19

20 S&P 500 Example: (Market Top) Daily Bars. September 2007 through January 2008 ii iv a 2 c ii i iii v 1 b i iii iv a 4 c b v 3 20

21 Q: That s Wonderful. How can I use this knowledge? A: The better we can predict where we are in the structure, the better we can predict the next move in the market. For example, let s pretend that the above chart is now. We can see enough to clearly identify the above wave count. We just finished a 2 of the of the green waves, and now we expect a 3 of the green waves. Therefore, we are bearish. This is true even though the casual observer looks at the chart and sees a bottom! 21

22 Q: How do we know when we re wrong? A: This is a very important question. When we don t have a firm opinion of the market anymore, we should exit the trade. This becomes a stop loss. The waves offer natural stop loss points!? (stop) So, we can draw the waves as best as we think. Then, if the market hits our stop loss, then we will wait until we have a new clear picture to trade. Sometimes we re wrong about the wave count. That s OK. We re right often enough to make this methodology worthwhile. 22

23 Fibonacci To make life easier, each wave has a target region for where it should end. We use Fibonacci relationships to plot these on the chart in advance. For example, Wave 2 target is 50%-78.6% of Wave 1: % retracement 61.8% retracement 50.0% retracement 1 23

24 Green Wave 1 down is finished. Currently in Green Wave 2 up. 24 This wave should end somewhere between $ and $ ($ is best.)

25 C A B Getting an ABC from here would be ideal 25

26 That would be a reversal. 26

27 Now, we have to project a likely extent for Wave 3: Wave 3 is generally to of Wave 1, projected from the end of Wave 2. This is technically named an alternate price projection % 161.8% 27

28 Although it s a little more tricky, we can project time the same way: Wave 3 is generally or so (in time) of Wave 1, projected from the end of Wave 2. This is technically named an alternate time projection

29 Combining these, we can get a general idea for price and time: % 161.8% 29

30 Looks like we re shooting for 123 to 133 sometime in the middle of January. 30

31 Price and Time Targets for Various Waves Note: There are others! I am just presenting basic ideas here. Wave Wave 1 Wave 2 Wave 3 Wave 4 Wave 5 Wave A Wave B Wave C Price Can t be projected. This wave is created by fundamentals and is how fundamentals drive the market. 50% to 78.6% of Wave 1 100% to 161.8% of Wave 1, projected from end of Wave % to 61.8% of Wave 3 100% of Wave 1, projected from end of Wave 4 Can t be projected. This wave is created by fundamentals and is how fundamentals drive the market. 50% to 78.6% of Wave A 61.8% to 161.8% of Wave A, projected from end of Wave B Time Can t be projected. This wave is created by fundamentals and is how fundamentals drive the market. Around 61.8% of Wave 1 Around 100% of Wave 1, projected from end of Wave 2 Around 61.8% of Wave 3 Around 100% of Wave 1, projected from end of Wave 4 Can t be projected. This wave is created by fundamentals and is how fundamentals drive the market. Around 61.8% of Wave A Around 100% of Wave A, 31 projected from end of Wave B

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42 Review of Process (thus far) 1. Label Waves Determine Bullish or Bearish Determine Stop Loss 2. Perform Price and Time Projections Get an idea for approximately where and when we should expect trend reversal. 42

43 Entries Projected Resistance Reversal Day Close below today s open (red candle day) Close below yesterday s close (down day) Stronger signal if it made a new high as well. 43

44 Entries Projected Resistance Stop Risk Sell Short on Close 44

45 Entries Projected Resistance Stop Loss Stopped Out 45

46 Entries Projected Resistance 46

47 Entries Projected Resistance Reversal Day 47

48 Entries Projected Resistance Stop Risk Sell Short on Close 48

49 Entries Stop Risk on Principal Paper Profit 49

50 Entries Stop Loss :-( Credit crisis was actually a novice accounting mistake. Oops. 50

51 N-Day high or N-Day low. N is a number. Trailing Stops For example: 3-Day high 1-Day High 2-Day Low 3-Day High: Highest high of last 3 days prior to and including the extreme point, non-inclusive of inside days. Inside Day: A day whose range is inside the previous day s range. Extreme Point 51

52 N-Day high or N-Day low. N is a number. Trailing Stops For example: 3-Day high 1-Day High 2-Day Low 3-Day High: Highest high of last 3 days prior to and including the extreme point, non-inclusive of inside days. 1 Extreme Point 52

53 Trailing Stops N-Day high or N-Day low. N is a number. For example: 3-Day high 1-Day High 2-Day Low 3-Day High: Highest high of last 3 days prior to and including the extreme point, non-inclusive of inside days. 1 Extreme Point Inside Day. Its range is inside the previous day s range. 53

54 Trailing Stops N-Day high or N-Day low. N is a number. For example: 3-Day high 1-Day High 2-Day Low 3-Day High: Highest high of last 3 days prior to and including the extreme point, non-inclusive of inside days. 2 1 Extreme Point Inside Day. Its range is inside the previous day s range. 54

55 Trailing Stops N-Day high or N-Day low. N is a number. For example: 3-Day high 1-Day High 2-Day Low Day High: Highest high of last 3 days prior to and including the extreme point, non-inclusive of inside days. 1 Extreme Point Inside Day. Its range is inside the previous day s range. 55

56 N-Day high or N-Day low. N is a number. Trailing Stops For example: 3-Day high 1-Day High 2-Day Low 3-Day High: Highest high of last 3 days prior to and including the extreme point, non-inclusive of inside days. 3 3-Day High Extreme Point 56

57 Exits Stop Risk 57

58 Exits Stop Risk Nearest Minor Pivot 58

59 Exits Stop Risk Nearest Minor Pivot 59

60 Exits Stop Risk Nearest Minor Pivot exceeded 60

61 Exits Old Stop Profit New Stop (3-day High) Paper Profit Exceeded Pivot Move to Trailing Stop 61

62 Exits Trailing Stop (3-day High) Profit Paper Profit 62

63 Exits Profit :-/ 63

64 Exits Towards Price Target Projected Support Levels 64

65 Exits Towards Price Target Trailing Stop (3-day High) Projected Support Levels 65

66 Exits Towards Price Target Trailing Stop (3-day High) Projected Support Levels 66

67 Exits Towards Price Target 3-Day High 2-Day High Getting Close: Switch to 2-day high. Projected Support Levels 67

68 Exits Towards Price Target Region Hit: Switch to 1-day High Projected Support Levels 68

69 Exits Towards Price Target Region Hit: Switch to 1-day High Projected Support Levels 69

70 Exits Towards Price Target If this is a major collapse, we want to hang around for it. Therefore, we continue with the tight trailing stop instead of just taking profit immediately. Region Hit: Switch to 1-day High Projected Support Levels 70

71 Exits Towards Price Target Projected Support Levels Reversal Day- Close trade. Go long? 71

72 Trend-Continuation Entries Projected Resistance Levels Reversal Day But we missed it. Should have sold short, but I didn t see it. Still good profit potential left though. What now? Potential profit. However, risk is too large to enter now (stop loss too far away). Projected Support Levels 72

73 Trend-Continuation Entries Inside Day Trend-Continuation Entry Stop loss goes here Sell Short if price exceeds this Inside day. This day s range is inside the previous day s range. 73

74 Trend-Continuation Entries Outside Day Trend-Continuation Entry Stop loss goes here Sell Short if price exceeds this Outside day. This day s range is outside the previous day s range. 74

75 Trend-Continuation Entries Projected Resistance Levels Reversal Day that we missed Projected Support Levels 75

76 Trend-Continuation Entries Projected Resistance Levels Reversal Day that we missed Projected Support Levels 76

77 Trend-Continuation Entries Projected Resistance Levels Outside Day Reversal Day that we missed Projected Support Levels 77

78 Trend-Continuation Entries Projected Resistance Levels Stop loss will go here Enter if we go below this Projected Support Levels 78

79 Trend-Continuation Entries Projected Resistance Levels Stop loss will go here Enter if we go below this Projected Support Levels 79

80 Trend-Continuation Entries Projected Resistance Levels Stop loss will go here Enter if we go below this Projected Support Levels 80

81 Trend-Continuation Entries Projected Resistance Levels Stop Entered here Projected Support Levels 81

82 Trend-Continuation Entries Projected Resistance Levels Stop Projected Support Levels 82

83 Trend-Continuation Entries Projected Resistance Levels Stop Projected Support Levels 83

84 Trend-Continuation Entries Projected Resistance Levels Stopped Out Figures. Projected Support Levels 84

85 Trend-Continuation Entries Projected Resistance Levels Projected Support Levels 85

86 Trend-Continuation Entries Projected Resistance Levels Projected Support Levels 86

87 Trend-Continuation Entries Projected Resistance Levels Inside Day Projected Support Levels 87

88 Trend-Continuation Entries Projected Resistance Levels Stop loss will go here Enter if we go below this Projected Support Levels 88

89 Trend-Continuation Entries Projected Resistance Levels Stop loss will go here Enter if we go below this Projected Support Levels 89

90 Trend-Continuation Entries Projected Resistance Levels Stop loss will go here Enter if we go below this Another Inside Day! Projected Support Levels 90

91 Trend-Continuation Entries Projected Resistance Levels Stop loss will go here Enter if we go below this Projected Support Levels 91

92 Trend-Continuation Entries Projected Resistance Levels Stop loss will go here Enter if we go below this Entered at the open Projected Support Levels 92

93 Trend-Continuation Entries Projected Resistance Levels Stop Projected Support Levels 93

94 Trend-Continuation Entries Projected Resistance Levels Stop Projected Support Levels 94

95 Trend-Continuation Entries Projected Resistance Levels Stop Projected Support Levels 95

96 Trend-Continuation Entries Projected Resistance Levels Stop Projected Support Levels 96

97 Trend-Continuation Entries Projected Resistance Levels New Stop 3-day High Projected Support Levels 97

98 Trend-Continuation Entries Projected Resistance Levels New Stop 3-day High Projected Support Levels 98

99 Trend-Continuation Entries Projected Resistance Levels New Stop 3-day High Projected Support Levels 99

100 Trend-Continuation Entries Projected Resistance Levels New Stop 3-day High Projected Support Levels 100

101 Trend-Continuation Entries Projected Resistance Levels New Stop 3-day High Projected Support Levels 101

102 Trend-Continuation Entries Projected Resistance Levels Getting Close: 2-day high Projected Support Levels 102

103 Trend-Continuation Entries Projected Resistance Levels Reversal Day- Exit Projected Support Levels 103

104 Trend-Continuation Entries Projected Resistance Levels McDonalds files Chapter 11 on credit losses. Projected Support Levels 104

105 Bear Market S&P 500 Activity We will now go through a step-by step walkthrough of the entire Bear Market, from the beginning. It will begin very detailed, but eventually just show the method is working. 105

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119 Note: I am deliberately counting this section differently from at the beginning of this presentation. And it still works! This shows the versatility of these techniques. 119

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158 Choosing the Spread Here s our example from before. We said we are expecting approximately $123 to $133 sometime in the middle of January. Always target the worst-case scenario: Assume the stock goes to $133. We therefore want a bear put spread with the short put at $133. For long put, choose an ITM option with strike above stop loss. The more ITM, the better.

159 Choosing the Spread So, we have established a bear put position: $ (Dec 11, 2007). $150 Long Put: Jan 2008 $160 Short Put: Jan 2008 $133 At VIX = 30, the following are the most likely prices: Long Put: $16.37 Short Put: $1.44 If we hit stop at expiration (worst-case scenario): Long Put: $10.00 Short Put: $0.00 Put Spread: $14.93 Put Spread: $10.00 (Spread is better when extrinsic value in short option is greater than extrinsic value in long option) If we hit profit target tomorrow (again, not as good as if it happens next month): Long Put: $27.15 Short Put: $5.13 Put Spread: $

160 Choosing the Spread If we hit profit target at expiration: Long Put: $27.00 Short Put: $0.00 Put Spread: $27.00 So, if we are right, spread will be worth between $22.02 and $27.00, which, considering the original spread cost was $14.93, represents profits of 47% and 81%. If wrong, spread will be worth $10 and will represent a loss of 33%. If we hit stop tomorrow (not as bad): Long Put: $12.26 Short Put: $0.70 Put Spread: $11.56 (loss of 23%) 160

161 Risk Management If we risk our whole account every time, eventually we ll be wrong three times in a row and lose 50% three times (thus losing 87.5% of the account). That s not good. We solve this by only risking 3% of our account on any trade. We said the risk in the spread was 33%. To position size, simply divide 3% by 33%: 0.03 / 0.33 = 9.1% Therefore, we can buy 9.1% of the account on this option spread. The rest should be held in cash. On a $100,000 account, we buy $9100 of this spread. Since the original spread price was $14.93, we buy a 6-contract spread. If we are right, we should get a return between 47% to 81%. We ll say 65% for sake of argument. 65% return on 9.1% of your account is 5.9%. For intermediate-term investing, you will trade a spread around 10 times per year. (Wrong 10 times: -26%). 161

162 Dynamic Trading, by Robert Miner Special Thanks To: Little of anything presented today is original. I now credit my primary source And direct you to this book for more detailed instruction if you are still interested. 162

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